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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

As a happy Legacy owner (x2) I have to chime in also.

I actually went through somewhat of the same dilemma when I was looking as I was looking at the Bobcat tractors and the Legacy.
The Bobcat CT120 at the time was around $ 17k with FEL and mid mount mower. A Legacy with Diesel and FEL was around the same cost.

I also looked a the CT230 at the time and I think that one came out at around $19k.

Both of the Bobcats are much bigger and heavier tractors than the Legacy and have higher lifting capacity. For me however where I need a good lawnmower they were simply too heavy. I have flat clay ground and a 3,000 lbs tractor will simply not work for mowing as it would leave big ruts in the ground. I would not be able to use a large tractor around my property without damaging the ground.
It would also be rather large to park in the garage and the attachments to it are expensive.

The Legacy was a much better fit for me. I think the big advantage here is the option of having the Legacy with a gas engine. This will shave around $ 3k off the price and will give you much the same performance (although maybe not longevity). Although I would love the diesel it is not worth that kind of money to me. And if my Kohler lasts its rated 2000 hours it will be around 40 years usage for me, so I am OK with that.

I think the market for the Legacy is for private people like me that needs a large lawn mower and like the option of using the FEL for landscaping projects. There are really no other tractors out that I am aware of that fits the small footprint of the Legacy or the versatility. (I think Kubota might have something but I think it is still larger). If this was to be used on a farm or commercially I agree that there may be more solid tractors available for near the same price. But they serce a different purpose.
The Legacy is not a full blown tractor and it was not really supposed to be one. That is what is good about it.
I really like that it is as easy to work on as a garden tractor as it has enabled me to by used at reasonable prices and fix them up to give me great some great equipment.

After selling two Craftsman GT5000 units with snowblower and snow blade, I was out $ 5k for the following setup:

2000 Legacy - 20 hp Kohler
54" mower deck
FEL
47" 2 stage snowblower
3 point hitch
Extra set of rims with Ag tires on

1999 Agco Allis 2025 (Legacy) - 25 hp Kohler
60" Mower deck
60" snow/dozer blade

Obviously I am biased as I have these two and love them.
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Me too I just love my Legacy XL & Prestige. They are all expensive but you really have to compare let's say the Legacy XL & say the Kubota what does one have that the other doesn't. I think Simplicity is the only one that is all steel, hood,fender's etc and their mower decks are built like a tank not to mention how easy they are to remove.Another nice feature is you can leave the mower on and use the FEL.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

I guess it's like buying a car too. How much are you willing to spend to stay in graces with your dealer.

Personally I absolutely love my XL. It's also the diesel with 60" deck and FEL. When I was looking, I compared the JD, Kubota, Cub, NH and the Massey Ferguson (which is the same as the Legacy XL). Like some others here, I shopped around and found a dealer who was selling a demo, so I got a great deal.

There are a bunch of older threads here that really get into the uses of the tractor, including a friend who uses his commercially, so you might want to look them up.

I plan on leaving mine to my kids in 25-30 years when I'm 6 feet under, so that should tell you what I personally think of them.
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I don't know how far away you are from Allison Park,PA there is a dealer with clearance items on Simplicity. They have the Legacy XL 4X4 with the diesel and the 60" deck for $11,948.00 it's a new 2010 model. Their name is: Critchlow Enterprises Inc.
PH 724-443-0260.
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I purchased a 2004 Simplicity XL with 60" mower and FEL with 210 hours used last month for $7500. I felt the hours were so low that there was a lot of use left in the unit for well less than half the new price. I did change out all the fluids and filters. It seems to be a nice unit so far. There is no high/low selection on the transmission. NAPA is a better place to shop filters than the dealer.
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I picked up a demo 2009 Legacy XL 2WD earlier this fall with a 60" mower deck. I will mount the 46" single stage snow blower to it to handle my 550 foot driveway. I sold a Conquest to get this setup.

I took looked at the competition and the reason I stayed with Simplicity and bought the Legacy was really for the abilitity to provide a great cut and stripes when doing the lawn, slightly more "curb" weight for snow blowing (verses the Conquest/Prestige frame size) and also for the smaller foot print so I can fit it in behind a car in the garage. Everything else that could lift more, had more power, etc. was just too large for my needs or wouldn't fit in the garage. It's the perfect tractor for me if it handles snow better than the Conquest.

When I toured the Simplicity plant in the fall of 2003 (IIRC), the guide mentioned that the Legacy 4x4 option came out in response to John Deere's sub compact models that had 4x4.
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I understand that I could save some money if I went with a gas engine (rather than Diesel). So, what am I giving up in terms of operational performance if I went gas? It would sure be simpler to stick with gas since everything else I have is gas.

But I've been under the impression that if I go gas I'm going to have poorer performance, and the engine will have more problems, and more frequently.
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I understand that I could save some money if I went with a gas engine (rather than Diesel). So, what am I giving up in terms of operational performance if I went gas? It would sure be simpler to stick with gas since everything else I have is gas.

But I've been under the impression that if I go gas I'm going to have poorer performance, and the engine will have more problems, and more frequently.

This is a good question for the techs to answer...I can only tell you what one Simplicity technician told me...they all have their problems and he has seen no better reliability from the diesel compared to the gas burners...he did indicate that theoretically, the diesel should last longer overall...so you may well end up having a 40 year old machine falling apart around the still thumping diesel...LOL!

The diesel has a slight advantage in torque, an advantage so small it really isn't perceptable for what this machine is capable of. The diesel also has a much larger advantage in fuel consumption...although this is largely offset by the much higher cost of diesel.

The average...or even above average homeowner likely to be using a tractor of this sort will get by just fine with the gas engine...and have a substantially better cut when actually serving the primary purpose compared with the larger CUT's...mowing the yard.

Bottom line, this is a well built large lawn and garden tractor that can handle some accesories to make the homeowners jobs much easier...it was never conceived to be a CUT like the Kubota, Bobcat and others that is meant for much larger jobs and commercial work. It all depends upon your intentions for the machine...and from what you're wrote, I wouldn't hesitate to go with a gas version and even consider 2WD unless you really must have the 4WD...I've spoken to many who finds they really don't need the 4WD after buying it...and the reduced turning radius is something to consider here as well...do you really need it? Or just want it?
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This is a good question for the techs to answer...I can only tell you what one Simplicity technician told me...they all have their problems and he has seen no better reliability from the diesel compared to the gas burners...he did indicate that theoretically, the diesel should last longer overall...so you may well end up having a 40 year old machine falling apart around the still thumping diesel...LOL!

The diesel has a slight advantage in torque, an advantage so small it really isn't perceptable for what this machine is capable of. The diesel also has a much larger advantage in fuel consumption...although this is largely offset by the much higher cost of diesel.

The average...or even above average homeowner likely to be using a tractor of this sort will get by just fine with the gas engine...and have a substantially better cut when actually serving the primary purpose compared with the larger CUT's...mowing the yard.

Bottom line, this is a well built large lawn and garden tractor that can handle some accesories to make the homeowners jobs much easier...it was never conceived to be a CUT like the Kubota, Bobcat and others that is meant for much larger jobs and commercial work. It all depends upon your intentions for the machine...and from what you're wrote, I wouldn't hesitate to go with a gas version and even consider 2WD unless you really must have the 4WD...I've spoken to many who finds they really don't need the 4WD after buying it...and the reduced turning radius is something to consider here as well...do you really need it? Or just want it?
Well said. I would add, however, that the difference between the 4wd and 2wd is pretty substantial when using the FEL. If you do plan on using the FEL for snow removal, moving topsoil, mulch, stone etc., I would definitely spring for the 4wd. Keep in mind, that it's not full-time 4wd and you can disengage it to run in 2wd mode for cutting.

As far as diesel vs gas, the price differential here in NJ is about $0.30-0.35/gal. I don't know what the consumption of the newer gas engines is like, but mine sips diesel fuel, especially compared to the older 14hp Kohler engine in a Jacobsen tractor that I moved up from. I'd say I easily consume 3 times less fuel than I used to, so at even the price differential, my diesel is worth it.
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Well said. I would add, however, that the difference between the 4wd and 2wd is pretty substantial when using the FEL. If you do plan on using the FEL for snow removal, moving topsoil, mulch, stone etc., I would definitely spring for the 4wd. Keep in mind, that it's not full-time 4wd and you can disengage it to run in 2wd mode for cutting.

As far as diesel vs gas, the price differential here in NJ is about $0.30-0.35/gal. I don't know what the consumption of the newer gas engines is like, but mine sips diesel fuel, especially compared to the older 14hp Kohler engine in a Jacobsen tractor that I moved up from. I'd say I easily consume 3 times less fuel than I used to, so at even the price differential, my diesel is worth it.
I do plan to do a lot of loader work, and that is the primary reason for wanting 4WD.

Is there any place I can get an idea of actual numbers for fuel consumption? E.g., 1 hour at full throttle will consume 3.5 gallons on the Kohler gas engine and 2.5 gallons on the diesel.
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I have the 27hp Kohler on my Legacy XL 4X4 and have really not checked my fuel usage but I have just under 2 acres and I can cut my lawn about 3 times before filling it up.
Also the difference in the turning radius for the 2 wheel drive is 28" and the 4 wheel drive at 35" with it in 2 wheel drive. I have the FEL, 60" Deck and the 47" snow blower. The thing I like about the 4 wheel drive is that I do not need chains or weights when I'm blowing snow and I have 2 driveway's one is 250 feet long and the other is 140 feet and the one that is 250 feet have about a 20% grade that I have to go up.
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So here's the bottom line, it sounds like--the Legacy XL is a good tractor that is probably most comparable to the BX2660, Bobcat CT122, or John Deere 2305. None of these tractors are an exact match, though--for instance, the Legacy XL has the best cut and the most HP out of these tractors, but it also has the lowest FEL lift capacity and weighs the least (which could lead to traction issues if you're pulling a grader or pushing snow--but it also means you are less likely to put ruts in your lawn).

As far as prices--it sounds like prices are all over the map, it just depends on what dealer you talk to and what deals they've got that day.

Is that a good summary?

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I have the 27hp Kohler on my Legacy XL 4X4 and have really not checked my fuel usage but I have just under 2 acres and I can cut my lawn about 3 times before filling it up.
Also the difference in the turning radius for the 2 wheel drive is 28" and the 4 wheel drive at 35" with it in 2 wheel drive. I have the FEL, 60" Deck and the 47" snow blower. The thing I like about the 4 wheel drive is that I do not need chains or weights when I'm blowing snow and I have 2 driveway's one is 250 feet long and the other is 140 feet and the one that is 250 feet have about a 20% grade that I have to go up.
Andy, how much do you use your FEL? Does it work well with the Kohler gas engine? The dealer I talked to said "I wouldn't put an FEL on a gas engine." He didn't think it would put out enough torque to work well. But, has it worked well for you?

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Josh, So far with my FEL I have dug out a parking area by my garage which was stone and I dug down about 10" and that was with the tooth bar on my bucket. I have moved over 30 yards of dirt with no problems and just last month I moved 10 tons of stone. I also helped my neighbor take off some 6' Blue spruce trees off his trailer and those were pretty heavy I'm guessing they were well over 450 pounds and I could lift them around 36". So I would say yes it has done everything I have wanted to do.
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