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post #166 of 178 Old 04-19-2019, 08:51 PM
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I still think the best way to produce power is hydro electric turbines....Rivers, dams, Niagara Falls etc.....just sayin'
I have to agree Poncho. Water will hopefully always flow downhill, and we may as well make better use of some of that natural energy.

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I didn't read through all of the postings here, but here is a question: What causes the windmills to turn? Resistance to the predominant winds. If we are putting up all of these and the spin due to resistance to wind that is predominately from the west, are we slowly stopping the the rotation of the earth???

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our winds come from all directions.. not just the west.. if an east wind cancel a west wind we have a calm day.. stopping the rotation of the earth will never happen cause our winds come from all directions..


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We have them in Pa. also.... First picture is blades moving through Millville Pa. 2 miles from my home...

Second picture is not far from shenandoah pa. about 25 miles from my home.

You got to remember our coal and gas is not going to last forever.
We gotta start sometime with something else. Humans will make mistakes.

I kinda like them...
do u know the length of that blade.. our's is 183 feet long.. look thro this tread (in a early postin of mine) I reported what happened to one of ours .. the cause of it was dead battery in the remote controlling the rear of the truck..


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The problem with nuclear Walt is we have yet to figure out what to do with the nuclear waste we generate. It has a 10,000 year half life afterwards and nobody knows what to do with this stuff.

I did regular service work in one of our nuclear generator stations and the parking lot out front was literally filled with concrete sarcophagus that were full of used/spent rods. Nobody wants them and nobody has any idea what to do with them.

And one can't forget Fukushima, Chernoble, Three Mile Island. We may simply be in over our heads there and should not rule out more natural solutions like tidal harnessing or increased hydro electric generation.

In short, we need to keep trying......
Not talking Fission, talking Fusion, don't compare to Chernobyl.

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Not talking Fission, talking Fusion, don't compare to Chernobyl.

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As I understand, both need a nuclear reactor Walt and both produce nuclear waste. To my knowledge they haven't perfected the fusion process yet.

Fusion may well be the future. Lets hope so as we need clean electrical power. Simply saying lets not overlook the obvious sources of safe energy to which we already have access.

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No such thing as clean electrical power or any power for that matter. One of the biggest lies in print. Everything pollutes to some extent and that includes our own sun. So watch what you buy into because the is no such thing as free non-polluting energy. Simple as Newton Law and nothing man can come up with will ever change it.

Wind power dates back to the days of knights in shining armor, so nothing new other than the way it is used and the size of the towers.
But the big question is why is all this power not being used in the location of its generation instead of being transferred 100's of miles with mind boggling power losses?
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No such thing as clean electrical power or any power for that matter. One of the biggest lies in print. Everything pollutes to some extent and that includes our own sun. So watch what you buy into because the is no such thing as free non-polluting energy. Simple as Newton Law and nothing man can come up with will ever change it.

Wind power dates back to the days of knights in shining armor, so nothing new other than the way it is used and the size of the towers.
But the big question is why is all this power not being used in the location of its generation instead of being transferred 100's of miles with mind boggling power losses?
Lots of reasons for large transmission lines.

One, a lot of areas do not want those things near them but they still would like to have electricity; imagine that.

Two, power companies do a lot of research before they decide on the site. that research includes "finding the wind". They have maps of regions with sustainable wind speed.

There is a LOT of political and shareholder pressure on power companies to have a larger portfolio of renewable energy (wind, solar and hydro) than they do fossil (coal).

So even though Coal may be cheaper, and I don't know that it always is, political pressures are forcing energy companies to increase the renewables however they can.
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Fission vs. Fusion:

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Nu...Nuclear_Fusion


Hydro is fine except for the millions of acres of land that has to be flooded behind the dams. You may not care unless it's your land lost or your town that has to be relocated.

Then there is the risk if one fails.
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Hydro is fine except for the millions of acres of land that has to be flooded behind the dams. You may not care unless it's your land lost or your town that has to be relocated.

Then there is the risk if one fails.
I get that, but here in Canada we have many rivers and waterfalls so we don't have to dams them up as much. I know of a couple of small turbines on the river near me, don't know how much power they generate though.
I don't see how a turbine generator creates environmental damage? Less than the others I am sure

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Maybe we all just need to use less electricity. It's an adjustment but who here wouldn't be happier if their hydro bill was half what it normally is today?

Years ago we bought into the government's "Get off Arab oil dependancy, Support Ontario Hydro" program, tore out the oil furnace and installed electric heat. They're singing a slightly different tune now all these hydro plants need upgrading.

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Yet they are pushing the electric cars etc. Short on power now and they think of new ways to use it.

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We switched to LED light bulbs and moved much closer to town. We noticed a very slight drop in our electric bill as a result before selling the house. Our fuel spending has decreased dramatically - we cut it by far more than half. Wife puts about 25% of the miles on compared to before the move. She has a 5 mile round trip to her 2nd job rather than a 22 mile round trip. Same to the store and any other shopping she wants. If we want to go to Grand Rapids for better dining/entertainment, we cut 20 miles (and about 1/2 hour) off that round trip also.

I haven't bought a hybrid or electric vehicle yet, but the thought is not lost on me, especially since now we don't drive hardly at all except around town.

What are y'all doing to conserve fuel and electricity?


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I stay home a lot more!...not so much by choice,my "daily driver" vehicle isn't exactly in pristine condition being over 35 years old..truck is also diesel powered,whether that is more "economical" or "environmentally friendly" than a gasoline powered one is debatable ,in my opinion it costs more to operate a diesel and its worse for the environment,unless your talking a small econobox ot a farm tractor..

Besides--since the inception of cell phones,driving is no longer a "pleasure",it has become a dangerous proposition ,every time you leave your driveway now,your risking your life a lot more than in previous years.."going for a joyride" has pretty much become a impossibility with so much traffic and idiotic "drivers" out there..

I only use a few electrical items at home--most days its just a small TV set,the computer,and a few lamps that are on most of the time,and I've been replacing the bulbs with LEDs as the old ones expire..the fridge & furnace use the most juice,and I keep the thermostat set at 65 to minimize how long & often the furnace comes on and to save heating oil--and I wait until I have enough dirty clothes to wash so I don't have to run the washer & dryer often,about every 2 weeks is the norm..

When I'm in my garage,I try to not leave the lights on constantly if I'm in and out of it,and keep the use of my compressor and welders to a minimum..
I only use them if I have too,instead of building things out of scrap for "fun" like I used too..

Most months my electric bill is between $30 and $50..this is not so much due to my efforts to save money,but the fact I get power from a privately owned facility in the next town over,that recently built a lot of solar farms,and also gets electricity from the large landfill in that town,where big diesel powered generators are using the methane generated by the "dump" to run them...they sell the power to the company at a low rate,and still make a big profit..

Other people I know in other towns that have National Grid or Unitil ,Eversource,etc,tell me their monthly electric bills are often over $150 !..they may be using a lot more electricity than I do,having kids,etc,but it shows the power companies greed has much to do with the prices of electricity..

I don't see much effort being put into encouraging conservation,when larger gas hog SUV's and pickups are dominating auto sales again,and all you see on TV is more ads for bigger TV sets,larger homes,newer appliances that don't last 5 years now..
Face it,if your in the business of selling oil,electricity,and natural gas--your not going to encourage your customers to use LESS and reduce your profits..they pretend too,but they really want more money..and aren't worried about the environment much ..


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