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post #1 of 30 Old 06-28-2019, 08:06 PM Thread Starter
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FYI on bolts

My GT5000 is about 19 years old, the heads on the bolts which hold the blades on were getting kind of worn due to removal for sharpening many, many times. OK, I'll get new bolts. Checked Sears (whoever runs that site now) and they were $9.99 each + S&H. Checked further, Husqvarna has them (Sears never made anything) for $7.99 each + S&H. Actually looked at them and they're Grade 8, 3/8-24 X 1 1/4", went to local Auto supply and they were $1 each. Just sharing.
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Good call EverlandFarms!

As long as the Pitch on the Bold is an EXACT MATCH, your "GOLDEN"!

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Very good advice, Everlandfarm. A few points to add, if I may:

Don't use Searsparts.com. Vastly overpriced. Same with most OEM parts.
Fastenal is a great place to find many hard to find fasteners and other. They do sell to the general public in the US and have stores all about.
It is a good idea to use never seize on most of the bolts and screws. Does make them easier to remove and not damage the heads.
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Flaken, my Dad told me a long time ago that if you "break" a connection, there's a good chance you'll be taking it apart again so get some grease on the threads. That was about 60 years ago and I've been doing it since.
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You would be very surprised that many didn't have the wonderful father you had to tell things like that. Many simply say, "Huh?"
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Doesn't just apply to bolts. I recently bought a 5 pack of plastic shaft bushings for my Cub 3240 for $3 from Grainger. Cub Cadet price was $3 each.
Even worse for o-rings where 100 were the same price as 2. Mcmaster-carr vs CC. Search by size, not manufacturer.

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Doesn't just apply to bolts. I recently bought a 5 pack of plastic shaft bushings for my Cub 3240 for $3 from Grainger. Cub Cadet price was $3 each.
Even worse for o-rings where 100 were the same price as 2. Mcmaster-carr vs CC. Search by size, not manufacturer.
That is not quite right, bolts and screws vary widely by manufacturer and grade. O-rings vary heavily by material type.

There are lots of "cheap" versions out there for a reason.

You can get thousands of vinyl o-rings for a buck or two while a fuel resistant butyl one will run at least a buck each.

Grade 5 bolts are not grade 8.

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That is not quite right, bolts and screws vary widely by manufacturer and grade. O-rings vary heavily by material type.

There are lots of "cheap" versions out there for a reason.

You can get thousands of vinyl o-rings for a buck or two while a fuel resistant butyl one will run at least a buck each.

Grade 5 bolts are not grade 8.
Youíre right, quality and material do vary a lot. OEM products are usually much higher, but for somebody who is not sure what it actually is they need, they would be well advised to pay the piper.

That said, I know well a guy who worked for Agco parts, the main depot where they ship to all the dealers. He told me once that their policy was to mark up from their cost 7x and then dealers would mark it up from there. So you can see why OEM parts are crazy priced and why educating yourself on the variables of parts can pay you big dividends.
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That is not quite right, bolts and screws vary widely by manufacturer and grade. O-rings vary heavily by material type.

There are lots of "cheap" versions out there for a reason.

You can get thousands of vinyl o-rings for a buck or two while a fuel resistant butyl one will run at least a buck each.

Grade 5 bolts are not grade 8.
I don't see any mention of me telling anyone to replace grade 8 bolts with grade 5.

Buna-N are pretty good o-rings for my application and what I ended up buying for my Cub. Do your searching and research before buying. Just because it came from a dealer name does not mean it is quality.

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Yup... As long as you KNOW what grade of materials an OEM uses, you can very often find the same parts (or sometimes even better) for less money. Is that O-ring viton, silicone, neoprene? What grade is that bolt? Is that shear key aluminum? Is that $300 shaft for your JD just a 7/8" piece of cold rolled steel with a keyway machined in on both ends like a machine shop might charge $50 to do? Helps to know of a few industrial supply houses, such as McMaster-Carr, Grainger, Fastenal, Detroit Ball Bearing, etc. Sometimes the head on a bolt might not quite match or something like that, but unless you're working in tight clearances or want an OEM quality restoration or something, it doesn't matter.

Oil filters and other such parts can be tricky, though. Sometimes it's what you can't see (how much and how fine filtering media there is) that makes all the difference. Sometimes aftermarket parts such as carburetors, coils, and starters can be hit or miss, too. Sometimes it's just better to go OEM with that stuff. I've learned that cheap starters are often cheap for a reason.


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Bearings are in the same boat as nuts and bolts, o rings, etc.

Manufacturers don't go out and get special bearings made, Deere maybe but most manufacturers use common bearings, be it open, sealed one side, sealed both sides, ball, roller, taper, etc.

I found the bearings in my JD 60" deck spindle were the same as a 6205 open both side bearing that can be bought just about anywhere.

A screw gauge is almost a must with metric, SAE, course, fine. A micrometer would be useful also.

As Steve says above, do your research, sometimes the size is listed but a lot of the times, it's not.

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I don't see any mention of me telling anyone to replace grade 8 bolts with grade 5.



Buna-N are pretty good o-rings for my application and what I ended up buying for my Cub. Do your searching and research before buying. Just because it came from a dealer name does not mean it is quality.
Those were just examples I was not putting words in your mouth, it is the research and knowing what you need that is important, as you mention.

It is pretty common for people to use the wrong types of parts because they are cheaper.

Places like McMaster-carr, fastenal, etc are not for price, they are for convenience, and the odd ball parts.

I usually buy stuff from an ag supplier by the case for the same cost as a couple from a vertical specialty supplier. Bolts, prongs, bearings, etc. But one does need to know what you need first. .... or in a pinch, when to expect it to fail.

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I started this post as an "FYI," and also in the hope that some of the younger folks might read and "maybe" think a little bit. The responses are golden, all good stuff!

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I started this post as an "FYI," and also in the hope that some of the younger folks might read and "maybe" think a little bit. The responses are golden, all good stuff!

Thanks,

Ev
It's a good thread and maybe will be an eye opener for some folks. Thanks for posting. A real help if you go this way is to buy a dial caliper and learn to use it. It will save you a bunch of money.

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My GT5000 is about 19 years old, the heads on the bolts which hold the blades on were getting kind of worn due to removal for sharpening many, many times. OK, I'll get new bolts. Checked Sears (whoever runs that site now) and they were $9.99 each + S&H. Checked further, Husqvarna has them (Sears never made anything) for $7.99 each + S&H. Actually looked at them and they're Grade 8, 3/8-24 X 1 1/4", went to local Auto supply and they were $1 each. Just sharing.
Grainger sells 50 for $20.45! I'd suggest going to a car dealer's parts counter to see what they have.

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