Re: Model 25 Johnson Loader
Thanks for your feedback guys. Being a novice member I need to complete my introduction and present my goal with this machine(s). I have been “Gabby” since high school so feel free to call me Gabby. I don’t answer people who use my given name.
I am not overly educated as I may come across. I worked in engineering, but am not an engineer. Most of the time when adding 2 & 2 I get 4. I worked in test and evaluation with primary responsibility to test prototype construction equipment and work with engineering to get equipment ready for market. My engineering experience put me on the seat of machines often. My questions will seem extravagant as I am used to machines with features like return-to-dig, auto-level, traction control, etc. These would be great features in garden tractors but couldn’t sell many “$40-50K lawn mowers”.
My goal with this machine is a landscape machine. Snow removal will come in another thread. Manufacturers have done fantastic job with lawn mowers and except for maybe a how “does this work” question won’t get into mowers much.
Last important fact is I am a single person and do not require “permission”. I tell my sons (2) all I’m doing is spending their inheritance like my father is doing with my inheritance.
Toys in the garage (I’m not against expanding this list)
• X300 with mower deck, bagger, and 2 stage snowblower
• JD 185 w/46” powerflow bagger and single stage snowthrower (for sale next spring as it is my winter machine this year)
• Bare 314 – have H2 components, rear hyd plumbing, and dual brake pedals to update this machine
• Zen-noh B7001 – 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel with 3ph (w/ rear blade) and tiller. Unit is std trans with 4wd and diff lock. Person who sold me tractor later sold me the Model 25 loader to install on this machine. This machine will probably go up for sale as soon as I have my loader tractor up and running.
• TX model Gator.
• Deere JS63 self propelled walk-behind.
• Random “stuff” – Cab off a 430 (Sorry Nole, I didn’t mean to drool all over your machine), model 25 loader, model 33 tiller with 2 pto shafts, 45” Craftsman? 2 stage snowblower that was mounted on a Deere 445, and 54C blade.
• Wish list – Deere 455 for loader tractor, model 49 snowthrower for 314, maybe a 300/316/317/318 or three and a warehouse to store all these. I definitely subscribe to the theory that I should be able to open the door and go to work without having to spend time taking this attachment off and putting that one on.
Time to get down to business, response to feedback:
Hydraulic speed - to be correct bucket rollback/dump speed is what seemed slow and/or operators were not well versed in multi-function operation. That is boom and bucket need to work simultaneously with machine movement for smooth operation. Will 5.6 – 6 gpm support multifunctioning? Am I asking for too much function and precision (spool leakage) from a $100 control valve?
Machine is going to be landscaping machine not a mower so losing mid-mount deck is not an issue (to me). I want loader and 54C blade on same machine. On the rear, either a tiller or 3ph for ?.
Bucket – I see excellent feedback I need to investigate to make decision on buy or manufacture my own. Can a quick-tach system be incorporated to switch buckets to a blade? Problem with blade on a loader is rigidity in loader boom? Pallet forks on loader or do I use 300/316/37/318 for a forklift machine? I found a set of plans to build a forklift.
Convert machine to 400 hydro – I will need to investigate. Would love a 430 but cost of 400/420/430 units is nearly same as a 455 on CL. For speed of completion I am leaning on looking for 455 machine … drawback is adapting 54C blade to this machine. Blade framework is strong enough for 455 but pivot will probably need some beefing up.
H5 hydraulic system sounds great. One actuator for each finger. I will read up and this. I suspect it is not based on tractor charge pump system due to volume of oil required to support 5 functions. It is common for rocker switches to control quick-tach functions (not needed on main control valve).
1. Will 5 – 6 gpm support multi-functioning and still provide acceptable metering characteristics?
2. Recommend or disapprove of quick-tach to incorporate blade on loader?
3. Recommend or disapprove using loader w/pallet forks as forklift? Asking this due to precise control of loader functions (the S word).
4. Will probably manufacture bucket unless I can find one at reasonable purchase/shipping cost.
5. Convert machine to foot control probably will not happen but sounds like interesting reading.
6. H5 system. Loader needs two with float; could be controlled with 1 actuator. Same with 54C, 2 functions with 1 float & 1 actuator. 3ph up and down. Yep, H5 sounds right. Also, RH loader control is ergonomically correct for me. Hardest machine for me to operate is skidsteer, I cannot think with my feet.
Time to hit the garage … Thanks again guys for your feedback.