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John Deere Family Tree

Spent a little time working on a John Deere mower/lawn tractor/garden tractor family tree. If still needs refinement and certainly could use more detail with dates but first I need to make sure I have this right.

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Re: John Deere Family Tree

Can you explain the dotted lines between the mid 200 series and the 3X5? I am guessing the dotted line between the 300 series and the 4x5 indicates that hydraulics "moved over" to this line. Nice work so far!

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The original intent for the dotted line between the mid 200 and the 3x5 was because the attachments like blade and blower are the same AFAIK. And correct about the dotted line between the 300 series and the 4x5, since there is no real comparable GT model to the 300 series when the switch to the 3x5 and the 4x5 was made.

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'17 JD 4066R, '08 JD 1445, '07 JD X748, '88 JD 318,'83 JD 214, '74 JD 140, '69 JD 140, 60's Power King, '57 JD 820

The Round Fenders: '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 110H "The Frog", '67 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '64 JD 110
Former Machines:
60's Power King, '64 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '66 JD 60, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110H, '66 JD 110H, '67 JD 112, '67 JD 112, '69 JD 112, '69 JD 140H3, '69 JD 140H3, '70 JD 112, '72 140 H1, '77 JD 212, '79 JD 212, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, uk Cushman 898807, '83 JD 318, '84 420, '86 JD 318, '86 JD 420, '87 JD 430, '87 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 855, '89 JD 318, '90 JD 318, '91 JD 430, uk Cab Cadet 2140, '92 JD 320, '93 JD 320, '96 JD 445, '98 JD 425, '99 JD 3215A, '00 Sabre 2046, '01 JD 455, and '01 LX277


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Re: John Deere Family Tree

Nice work!

Don't know enough but that seem about right.


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Re: John Deere Family Tree

where do the lil JD 100 round fenders fall in that chart..
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Thanks for the work on the chart. Would the 160-185 go between the 111-112 and the Scotts with maybe a lateral line over to the LX series? I have a 111H and a friend at church has a 165 and they seem to share some frame parts.
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where do the lil JD 100 round fenders fall in that chart..
Whirly, the 100 RF should fall under the 60/70 and above the 111/112, somewhere in the early-mid '70s timeframe.

Somewhere around here is a very detailed post by Sergeant, that has all this information (but not in a"family-tree" format). If we could find it, Mr. Beef might be able to flesh out the tree. I will say, though, that beginning in the early '90s through the introduction of the various X line ups, it gets VERY confusing keeping track of the models as there are so many.




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Re: John Deere Family Tree

Nice job on the chart. I'm thinking that the older 300 series really shouldn't be connected to the "newer" 3x5/gx3x5 series. Mostly because of the 3ph and loader on the 300 series.
In my mind, the older 300 series and older 400 series combined for the 4x5 series.

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Re: John Deere Family Tree

Thanks Guys!

UT, here are two threads that have PDFs I used to start it. I originally put this together when I started working on my 318 information thread. A lot of folks come here asking what kind of mower/gt should I buy, I thought it would be handy to have a visual reference to show them.

https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=42903
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=236587

Jakenbake I think you are right about the 300 to the 3x5. I have muddled over that one a couple of times.

The true test of skill is when you can put something back together and it works... not the dusty half disassembled pile of junk in the corner....

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'17 JD 4066R, '08 JD 1445, '07 JD X748, '88 JD 318,'83 JD 214, '74 JD 140, '69 JD 140, 60's Power King, '57 JD 820

The Round Fenders: '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 110H "The Frog", '67 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '64 JD 110
Former Machines:
60's Power King, '64 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '66 JD 60, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110H, '66 JD 110H, '67 JD 112, '67 JD 112, '69 JD 112, '69 JD 140H3, '69 JD 140H3, '70 JD 112, '72 140 H1, '77 JD 212, '79 JD 212, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, uk Cushman 898807, '83 JD 318, '84 420, '86 JD 318, '86 JD 420, '87 JD 430, '87 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 855, '89 JD 318, '90 JD 318, '91 JD 430, uk Cab Cadet 2140, '92 JD 320, '93 JD 320, '96 JD 445, '98 JD 425, '99 JD 3215A, '00 Sabre 2046, '01 JD 455, and '01 LX277


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Beef, thanks, those pdf files are handy! But I was thinking of a different post, where Sergeant very carefully and logically explained the evolution of the JD line-up in a way that explained the family tree/lineage (like which model morphed into what, including Sabres and Scotts). It wasn't a chart or a tree, it was just him walking us through it. For some reason, it really clicked with me the way he explained it. As you know, he is afterall the guru.

If I can find that post I'll get you a link. But no promises -- snow is in the forecast () and I might just try to mount those wings on the Model 54 blade today.

I love the hydraulics on this 140 H3 -- can't imagine being without them anymore. You really have to jump over to the early 400 series from the 140H3 to get a comparable tractor in that respect. In that sense, the 140 did split off in two as you have it on the tree. Some of the 300 series did maintain decent hydraulics capability (H2). But I would say the 300 series branch, after its second generation (318/322/332), withered away and was never replaced by anything comparable.




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The paradigm shifts are the tough part - where JD made 200's -->300's, 300's-->400's, etc. That started when the 420/430 were not directly replaced, and the 285 became the 345. Then you have the LX/GT families, etc.

A few additions:

Sabre/Scotts --> 2002 Sabre/Scotts --> L100-Series
STX--> LT --> X300
LX100--> LX200 --> X320-up

Nice job on the tree. Pretty darn close. I'd personally branch the Sabre/Scotts into their own line off the LX100's.
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The first change was the addition of the 112 RF in 1966 which was considered a new model by JD. In the lawn tractor line you should also include the 108 and the 116. The 112 in that line is actually the 112L which is different than the regular 112 garden tractor. Roger
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The original intent for the dotted line between the mid 200 and the 3x5 was because the attachments like blade and blower are the same AFAIK. And correct about the dotted line between the 300 series and the 4x5, since there is no real comparable GT model to the 300 series when the switch to the 3x5 and the 4x5 was made.
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Ok had a couple of minutes to make a "revised" version. Still need lots of "year" layout work but I think the flow is becoming more evident.

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Beef, thanks, those pdf files are handy! But I was thinking of a different post, where Sergeant very carefully and logically explained the evolution of the JD line-up in a way that explained the family tree/lineage (like which model morphed into what, including Sabres and Scotts). It wasn't a chart or a tree, it was just him walking us through it. For some reason, it really clicked with me the way he explained it. As you know, he is afterall the guru.

If I can find that post I'll get you a link. But no promises -- snow is in the forecast () and I might just try to mount those wings on the Model 54 blade today.

I love the hydraulics on this 140 H3 -- can't imagine being without them anymore. You really have to jump over to the early 400 series from the 140H3 to get a comparable tractor in that respect. In that sense, the 140 did split off in two as you have it on the tree. Some of the 300 series did maintain decent hydraulics capability (H2). But I would say the 300 series branch, after its second generation (318/322/332), withered away and was never replaced by anything comparable.
I still need to work in the early 300 vs late 300. I also ended the 300 series and put them in with the 4X5 group.

I think adding the mower, LT, GT, SGT title up top helps some.

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The paradigm shifts are the tough part - where JD made 200's -->300's, 300's-->400's, etc. That started when the 420/430 were not directly replaced, and the 285 became the 345. Then you have the LX/GT families, etc.

A few additions:

Sabre/Scotts --> 2002 Sabre/Scotts --> L100-Series
STX--> LT --> X300
LX100--> LX200 --> X320-up

Nice job on the tree. Pretty darn close. I'd personally branch the Sabre/Scotts into their own line off the LX100's.
Thanks, I need to learn more about the LT, mower stuff and I will work on that corner some more.

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The first change was the addition of the 112 RF in 1966 which was considered a new model by JD. In the lawn tractor line you should also include the 108 and the 116. The 112 in that line is actually the 112L which is different than the regular 112 garden tractor. Roger
Thanks. My goof on the 112 112L thing I was not paying attention. I put the 112 GT in the flow chart but I am debating taking it out since I don't want it to get bogged down into individual models. It would be really easy to blow this into a billboard size flow chart if we are not careful.

New Version: The lower left corner needs some attention but we will get there. I also put green boxes around what I consider to be big shifts in the John Deere world. But I might take them out since there are quite a few

The true test of skill is when you can put something back together and it works... not the dusty half disassembled pile of junk in the corner....

Tractors:
'17 JD 4066R, '08 JD 1445, '07 JD X748, '88 JD 318,'83 JD 214, '74 JD 140, '69 JD 140, 60's Power King, '57 JD 820

The Round Fenders: '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 112H, '67 JD 110H "The Frog", '67 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '64 JD 110
Former Machines:
60's Power King, '64 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '65 JD 110, '66 JD 60, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110, '66 JD 110H, '66 JD 110H, '67 JD 112, '67 JD 112, '69 JD 112, '69 JD 140H3, '69 JD 140H3, '70 JD 112, '72 140 H1, '77 JD 212, '79 JD 212, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, '80 JD 317, uk Cushman 898807, '83 JD 318, '84 420, '86 JD 318, '86 JD 420, '87 JD 430, '87 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 318, '88 JD 855, '89 JD 318, '90 JD 318, '91 JD 430, uk Cab Cadet 2140, '92 JD 320, '93 JD 320, '96 JD 445, '98 JD 425, '99 JD 3215A, '00 Sabre 2046, '01 JD 455, and '01 LX277


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