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Re: Why not just get 4WD and forgetaboutit?

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Thanks for sharing. I noticed an improvement sideways on slopes with a wider wheel base on my 400 vs the G100.

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Re: Why not just get 4WD and forgetaboutit?

We can discus this till the cows come home and still solve nothing. Everyone will have their reasons for or against and we have not even gotten into track machines. The simple truth is most simple do not need 4 wheel drive and many that buy them never learn how to operate them just as with 2 wheel drive. The traction will be were the load is unless it in a front end loader. Even then 4 wheel drive will not save you.
Just to make a point the neighbor got his four wheel drive pickup stuck last winter. One wheel on each end would spin and he just sat there. My two wheel drive dually had no problems driving around him with highway tread verses his knobby. I guess my four wheel drive worked and his did not. So for those that think four wheel drive is a save all forget it.
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Re: Why not just get 4WD and forgetaboutit?

Nothing saves all. But many things can save some.

I've pulled others out with my tractor several times, and I've needed to be pulled out a few times too.
But I do a lot of work and go into places I wouldn't without the 4wd, even just mowing / brush cutting.

If I want to never get stuck, all I have to do is never operate in slippery areas.

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We can discus this till the cows come home and still solve nothing. Everyone will have their reasons for or against and we have not even gotten into track machines. The simple truth is most simple do not need 4 wheel drive and many that buy them never learn how to operate them just as with 2 wheel drive.
Well stated.

For many of us, 4-wheel drive adds unnecessary cost, complexity, and weight for something we'll never need.
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we can discus this till the cows come home and still solve nothing. Everyone will have their reasons for or against and we have not even gotten into track machines. The simple truth is most simple do not need 4 wheel drive and many that buy them never learn how to operate them just as with 2 wheel drive. The traction will be were the load is unless it in a front end loader. Even then 4 wheel drive will not save you.
Just to make a point the neighbor got his four wheel drive pickup stuck last winter. One wheel on each end would spin and he just sat there. My two wheel drive dually had no problems driving around him with highway tread verses his knobby. I guess my four wheel drive worked and his did not. So for those that think four wheel drive is a save all forget it.

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Re: Why not just get 4WD and forgetaboutit?

I have a slopped yard that I turn on all the time. I've been running a 314 with turf tires for years but I have 80# hanging on the back with chains I don't take off after the winter and snowblower mode. I ran a 140 sideways on a run off swail at my first house with no problems you just need to scoot your butt to the high side of the seat.

Just acquired a 332 with turf tires and no weight on the back and I don't spin much at all. I would love to get a pair of HDAPs for it and load them but I have better things to do with $200. I'll chunk chains on it and attach the snow blower and be done.

The thing is with a 4x4 (trucks, cars, tractors) people tend to "believe" they are "invincible" and never think about what they are getting into. I have 4x4 trucks SUVs but run them in 2wd until I need 4x4.

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Re: Why not just get 4WD and forgetaboutit?

I find this a weird argument; don't have a capability because you might think you have a bigger capability.
If you're not smart enough to use a vehicle without getting stuck, you'll get stuck, even if it has tracks.

I definitely fall into this category; and I'm sure if I had 2wd I'd also get stuck.
But more often.

4wd is also great for steering sometimes, like when dragging a brush cutter or plowing, even when the rear traction will keep you moving.

If you just use your tractor to mow your lawn and don't get stuck, that's great too.

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Comparing apples to apples, a X495 weighs 1000 lbs and a X595 1080 lbs. I'm not losing any sleep over the 80 lbs and run it in 2WD 95+% of the time even pushing snow which we get our fair share of. I'm not sure how much extra I paid for it on a 15 yo machine but whatever it was and the 80 lbs are worth every penny/lb for that 5% of the time. The X300 seems to get the lawn mowed just fine without it though.

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Some of this argument comes down to a 4wd version having more capability or letting you get work done faster or easier. It's not that a 2wd can't get the job done, it's just that having 4wd might do it better. Only part of the advantage of 4wd is about not getting stuck in the mud or snow. The biggest advantage in my opinion, that if used correctly, a 4wd can simply get more work done in some situations because it can put more power to the ground. There is a reason most farm tractors and backhoes (tractor with a front end loader and backhoe) are now 4wd, and it's not so you can kick it into 4wd only when you get stuck in mud. You use 4wd whenever you are working the equipment as it puts more power to the ground and limits tire slippage.

Now I won't argue that many people don't need a 4wd version lawn mower as the extra capability is not needed....if you have a flat lawn with no wet spots it doesn't really gain you anything.
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c5rulz: I detect exactly 2 bare sport in your lawn. Unacceptable. Tear it out and re-sod this minute.

Obviously j/k man and yes 4WD is great. Just like golf the game is easier with the good ($$$) clubs.
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c5rulz: I detect exactly 2 bare sport in your lawn. Unacceptable. Tear it out and re-sod this minute.

Obviously j/k man and yes 4WD is great. Just like golf the game is easier with the good ($$$) clubs.
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#1. The two spots in question, the first if you look closely is not a bare spot but a stump I cut off at ground level so I could mow over the top. The 2nd is from my wife Hundreds and Hundreds of pounds of sunflower seeds and assorted other bird seed in her bird feeders. The turkeys come and scratch and the grass does not grow there.

#2. Golf clubs don't have to be expensive, but they do have to fit the player. My clubs are: M3 Taylor made driver, (new last week). Taylor made Rocket balz 3 wood, (very old). Titleist hybrids, 19,26 & 27 degreee. Titleist Vokey wedges 56 & 60 degree. But the irons are clones I had built and they are certainly good enough for my handicap. I am a 7 right now trending to 6 which sucks because I have to give the whining crybabies at the course strokes. Just got back from the battle a half hour ago. Got them for a few bucks today and surprisingly enough, that makes me happy.

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I have to say it. Kinda hard to get 4 wheel drive on my tractors when they only have 2 wheels 🙂 yea I know I'm in the wrong forum.

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I have to say it. Kinda hard to get 4 wheel drive on my tractors when they only have 2 wheels 🙂 yea I know I'm in the wrong forum.
Begone, heathen! I assume a locking differential would be the closest comparison on a 2-wheel tractor?
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Begone, heathen! I assume a locking differential would be the closest comparison on a 2-wheel tractor?
My Grillo G85D has a differential lock My Gravely Professional 12 has steering brakes to stop the spinning wheel and power to the one getting traction

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Cool. I've been curious about left/right brakes, for helping with this sort of thing. They seem like maybe a simpler solution than trying to implement a locking differential in a transaxle, or than 4WD. And, of course, they could help with the scary situation of an open differential, and a single locked rear wheel, in a runaway-down-the-hill scenario. And, unlike a locked diff, the machine would still be easy to turn.

But they've made me curious, do you kind of need the "proper" touch to make them effective? Say you spin your right wheel, and the left one just sits there. You want to apply some brake to the right wheel, to transfer torque to the left. But *too* much right brake, and you just swap your problem, so the right wheel presumably stops, and you spin the left, instead. Do you just kind of ease onto the brake for the spinning wheel, until hopefully you start moving, and both wheels keep turning?
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