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Any diesel regrets ?

Anybody ever regret getting a Yanmar diesel and which they had gotten a gasser?

Not a discussion regarding the economics, just what do you like better. I've put over 32 hours on the X758 since June and the torque and ability to navigate steep hills is hands down superior. Fuel consumption is running .7 gallon /hour. I have a Simplicity Conquest set up as a bagger right now and ran it this week when the grass got away from me a little bit. Windrowed to the center with the X758 and picked up in a few minutes. After putting a lot of time on the diesel, the power of the gas motor which is rated higher was just sad asi it was bogging under load and it consumes 1.5 gallon/hour. (Note the grass is mowed at 3.5" and the Simplicity deck was in the transport position but is still cutting much closer, probably 2.75"

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

Before I got my X738, I was also considering a new Kubota BX2380 like my friend has. If I hadn’t found a slightly used (under 100 hrs) X738, I would likely be driving a diesel. I only find I need the torque a few times per summer and a few times each winter, so torque for mowing and snow blowing isn’t the issue, it would be if I had the loader. Interestingly I have been considering a diesel zero turn. Also interesting that the blade tip speed on a diesel is about 1000 fpm less than gas. Probably because the engine rpm may drop under load when you are in heavy grass.

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I'm considering moving to diesel with my next tractor, but I think the thing that concerns me the most is gelling in cold weather. It's preventable to an extent, but after dealing with a couple gelled diesel engines in the past it's always in the back of my mind.

Snowblowing is pretty much all I use my tractor for in the winter. Typically it doesn't snow when it's super cold, so it may be a non-issue. But it would certainly be a pain if it did...
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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

Had my x758 since early 2016. Prior to that a 345 for 20 years and many other similar gas garden tractors prior. I see no drawbacks to the diesel, other than the fuel cost, which isn't a huge disparity these days but I recall when it was almost a dollar a gallon more some time back. I've been quite happy with the x758 with pretty much everything about the tractor itself. The mowing deck and blower on the other hand have been somewhat challenging but that's another topic.

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I'm considering moving to diesel with my next tractor, but I think the thing that concerns me the most is gelling in cold weather. It's preventable to an extent, but after dealing with a couple gelled diesel engines in the past it's always in the back of my mind.

Snowblowing is pretty much all I use my tractor for in the winter. Typically it doesn't snow when it's super cold, so it may be a non-issue. But it would certainly be a pain if it did...


I use the JD 2305 for snowblowing and the diesels really excels when heavy load is encountered such as snow blowing. Mine never gets colder than 40 degrees as it is in a heated garage. Once started even -15 below has not been an issue for fuel related problems.

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Had my x758 since early 2016. Prior to that a 345 for 20 years and many other similar gas garden tractors prior. I see no drawbacks to the diesel, other than the fuel cost, which isn't a huge disparity these days but I recall when it was almost a dollar a gallon more some time back. I've been quite happy with the x758 with pretty much everything about the tractor itself. The mowing deck and blower on the other hand have been somewhat challenging but that's another topic.

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Regarding fuel costs: Years back diesel was more expensive, now since they have jacked the price of non ethanol gas so much, the diesel is about 60 cents a gallon less than gas.

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No way. I bought my x595 in 2003 and it's been fantastic. I haven't had a single complaint. Prior to that I had a couple gassers, the last of which was a Scott's 2554 (25 HP, 54" deck; same as JD's Sabre at that time). Mowing the same yard, the Scott's (more HP than the x595 on paper, and an 8" narrower deck) would bog down if mowing when the grass was more than 8" high in my back acre, (it grows fast and thick back there) even at the highest mowing height. I would have to stop the tractor and let it recover every 10 feet, and mowing speed was about as slow as I could get it to go. The x595 eats that stuff up at walking speed even with a wider deck. And the fuel economy is WAY better. I haven't actually measured gal/hr but I remember having to fill the Scott's tank every mow or two. The x595 about twice a year if I only use it for mowing and snow clearing.

Oh, and as for the winter worries about diesel gelling: I have owned my tractor for 16 years and it has never had that issue. It's kept in a garage, but it's detached and not heated. Winters here regularly get below zero, but not like all winter long or anything.
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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I regret not buying more diesels.

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I have mowed a 4.5 acre field twice this summer with the X738 54” deck where the grass and rye were to the top of the rear wheels. Yes, I couldn’t mow as fast without leaving stragglers and you could hear the engine working, but never bogging down. Both times, I had to stop half way through to clean the screens and used nearly ALL the full tank in 4.5 hrs. Normal mowing is about 2 acres per hour.

I think the EFI engines run better under load than the older carbed engines. I know they sure start better in the cold.

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I have a 2016 X-758 and mow a lot of grass I am at 300 hours now . The Tractor has been 100 % with the 60 inch HC deck the only problem . The deck would not stay level but after talking to the dealer I found the fix so fine now .
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I regret not buying more diesels.
That's the spirit. After having the Yanmar in the JD 2305 for 13 years, I would not consider a gasser.

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I love my 332 diesel. I wanted another diesel but the deal I got on my X585 ($2700) was too good to pass up.
I would like the X595 but the 85 is quite the machine and no complaints with it.

Given the choice I'd go diesel.
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I use the JD 2305 for snowblowing and the diesels really excels when heavy load is encountered such as snow blowing. Mine never gets colder than 40 degrees as it is in a heated garage. Once started even -15 below has not been an issue for fuel related problems.
That's good to know. Gelling was not enough of a concern for me to not buy another one, just the only downside that I've thought of as I've considered it. Mine is also stored in a garage where it doesn't freeze in the winter.
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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

I only Bought a X748 because of the Tractor weight and couldn't find a used Low Hr X728 at the time which I was Looking for. I would Have gone Gas. But I don't regret going Diesel either. For a Super Garden tractor to Me either Gas or Diesel is fine.

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Re: Any diesel regrets ?

Here in MA diesel fuel is at least 50+ cents a gallon more than regular gasoline..
Been that way many years ..

But one advantage to diesel fuel is it does not go stale very quickly,it can sit a long time before it'll get algae in it...no ethanol woes with diesel..

Diesel engines usually are built more beefy,run at lower rpms,and have more low end torque than a gas engine (longer stroke most of the time)..if cold weather isn't a problem,that is a better option over a gas engine..


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