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broken key. How?????

ok so i'm working on my 332 and I fixed the starter wiring problem only to reach around and snap the key off in the switch.

Anyone have ideas on how to get it out of there? I know I can buy a new/used switch but...........

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Re: broken key. How?????

How deep down in the ignition? On doors, I've had some luck with either thin needle nose pliers (if there's a reasonable amount sticking out) or a dental pick (it was handy, and I was able to sneak it into the top, ridgy part of the key and hook it around one of the bumps. Weird wild things I could suggest (that I've never tried so YMMV), that blue sticky tack stuff you can use for putting up posters without using thumbtacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Tack

I have used it to grab onto things before, just never a key.
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You have to remove the battery and battery tray. Is the nut on the out side or inside the panel for that key style? If outside, unscrew the nut and remove the key switch by using the cables/connector. If inside, remove cable/connector, then unscrew nut and pull the key switch out, catching the nut with small hand or grabber type tool. Then you can work on removing the broken off key stub, sometimes a good shock drop with gravity assist (to a padded floor) will propel the stub out. Or a fine pick (dental probe tool for cleaning teeth) my dentist gave me a couple of dozen worn out pick/scrappers that I have used in my career of fixing electronics (locksmiths do it all the time)

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well this is not the normal generic 2 wing key. It looks like it a real car key.

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A good sharp pick is probably your best bet. A locksmith could get it for you. It may cost more than practical though.
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Or maybe a good quality tweezers, the kind with the grippy ridges at the tip.

Either that or pull it as said, then use gravity or dismantle as necessary.

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Yup... Tweezers, picks, fine needlenose pliers, or medical forceps.


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Try bending a sharp 90 degree or little more than 90 in a paper clip both ends, but take a good pair of wire cutters and cut the 90 close to the bend or cut it close with a dremel) and stick the clip into the key groove using the outside 90 as a witness as to where the interior 90 as pointed and gently wiggle and pull with the little 90 pointed towards the key. Kinda looks like a blunt piece of key or similar could be used to turn it on and off by pushing down on the existing broken key.

I've carefully taken some tumblers apart.

Get a replacement from a salvage. Bet them JD ignition switches new are costly.
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Yup... Tweezers, picks, fine needlenose pliers, or medical forceps.
Medical forceps? Are we delivering here, or prying apart for extraction? Don't forget to scrub, surgical grown/hat, rubber gloves, and a sterile surgical bay!: hide:

Mostly a LOT of patience, persistence and perseverance!

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Medical forceps? Are we delivering here, or prying apart for extraction? Don't forget to scrub, surgical grown/hat, rubber gloves, and a sterile surgical bay!: hide:
Be careful when using the medical forceps and surgical gown, rubber gloves and don't get to chewing on your tongue, when you really get into yourself and bring blood.
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Medical forceps? Are we delivering here, or prying apart for extraction? Don't forget to scrub, surgical grown/hat, rubber gloves, and a sterile surgical bay!: hide:

Mostly a LOT of patience, persistence and perseverance!
I'm not in the medical profession, but I think they all use nitrile gloves rather than rubber these days. Seems like the latex gloves are no longer used because some folks are allergic to latex.

Maybe I just should have shortened it to "forceps." Available at pretty much any hardware store. Or medical supply store, but they're pretty expensive at those places. I actually buy them by the dozen on eBay for work, for like $2 per pair.


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Medical forceps? Are we delivering here, or prying apart for extraction? Don't forget to scrub, surgical grown/hat, rubber gloves, and a sterile surgical bay!: hide:

Mostly a LOT of patience, persistence and perseverance!


Now that's funny right there!

Just go done mowing so it can wait. I can still start the tractor so........... I do not have a key to fit it though so I would have to have another one made. not sure anyone can do that with a broken key.

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Re: broken key. How?????

Something like a good pick might work? Something with a good steel tip. Not the kind of cheapie picks set I got at Harbor Freight The suggestion of asking your dentist if they have an old one doesn't seem too bad, I'm sure the ones used on people are better than the typical hardware-store type.

Something like this would be a last-resort, since if it doesn't work, you may be worse off. But perhaps putting a few tiny drops of superglue on the head of the key, pressing it carefully against the broken part, and letting the glue harden. Then see if you can pull it out. If you were lucky, it might pull the broken part out. Though the odds are good it would end up just gluing the broken part into place. So, ya know, last resort
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Something like a good pick might work? Something with a good steel tip. Not the kind of cheapie picks set I got at Harbor Freight The suggestion of asking your dentist if they have an old one doesn't seem too bad, I'm sure the ones used on people are better than the typical hardware-store type.

Something like this would be a last-resort, since if it doesn't work, you may be worse off. But perhaps putting a few tiny drops of superglue on the head of the key, pressing it carefully against the broken part, and letting the glue harden. Then see if you can pull it out. If you were lucky, it might pull the broken part out. Though the odds are good it would end up just gluing the broken part into place. So, ya know, last resort
With my luck it would glue the broken part in place. LOL.........

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