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...and your 2305 weighs how much? 2000 pounds or more? Of course, it will rut wet turf.

Here we are discussing a 500 pound lawn tractor.
2305 is 1600lbs in mowing configuration. Yea sounds heavy. But any machine can tear up a lawn, depending on soil type and condition. ATV tires are the answer only if your lawn can take the abuse.

Bottom line: there is a reason they invented turf tires and their tread pattern, and put them on lawn tractors.... otherwise everyone would be selling high-traction tires for lawn tractors and marketing how safe their machines are on slopes and wet grass....
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God bless you if you mow a 20 degree slope with Zero turn!! Gentle hill no problem-- a slope, noway you catch me on ZT - seen what can happen on hills to zero turns.
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2305 is 1600lbs in mowing configuration. Yea sounds heavy. But any machine can tear up a lawn, depending on soil type and condition. ATV tires are the answer only if your lawn can take the abuse.

Bottom line: there is a reason they invented turf tires and their tread pattern, and put them on lawn tractors.... otherwise everyone would be selling high-traction tires for lawn tractors and marketing how safe their machines are on slopes and wet grass....
I felt the same way until I put HDAPs on my GX345 for winter use fully prepared to buy turfs for the summer. I've been pleasantly surprised as to how gentle they are on my lawn. Paradigms change....


And yes, HDAP's are not for everyone but the consensus on this thread seems to be that the OP might need to make some compromises given the slope of his yard.
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2305 is 1600lbs in mowing configuration. Yea sounds heavy. But any machine can tear up a lawn, depending on soil type and condition. ATV tires are the answer only if your lawn can take the abuse.

Bottom line: there is a reason they invented turf tires and their tread pattern, and put them on lawn tractors.... otherwise everyone would be selling high-traction tires for lawn tractors and marketing how safe their machines are on slopes and wet grass....
I felt the same way until I put HDAPs on my GX345 for winter use fully prepared to buy turfs for the summer. I've been pleasantly surprised as to how gentle they are on my lawn. Paradigms change....


And yes, HDAP's are not for everyone but the consensus on this thread seems to be that the OP might need to make some compromises given the slope of his yard.
My experience is in having used ATV tires for 2 years mowing 2-3 acres a week. Cub XT3 1000lbs. Land is hilly and rocky and has 1 muddy drainage ditch.

I spin my ATV tires LESS than I spun my turfs and damage my lawn less. My ATVs just flat out don't spin where my turfs would spin every time I unloaded a rear tire.

In my drainage ditch the turfs would load with mud and spin. Then I'd have to muck around dragging it out making a mess and trenching the heck out of it. My ATVs sail right thru w/o turning unless you try deliberately to spin them.

The only time I've ripped a hunk of turf out (like people think happens all the time with ATVs) is when I was going waaay too fast around a tree on a hill where the roots push the mower to one side heavily. My turfs always spun there and I'd use speed to get thru. I found I don't need to speed past it with the ATVs and since I slowed down in that one spot I don't trench it.

So I've mowed ~100acres with my ATVs and I've ripped out 1 hunk of sod when going too fast around a tree.

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I would for something with diff-lock or HDAPs even on damp turf like that.


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My word I had no idea those things cost that much. I would take three grand and put it on a hustler raptor or something like that for three quarters of an acre.

There's a hydro motor on both rear wheels so there's your positive traction.

You can go up that hill with no problem
I've mowed many hills with zero turns

Take the other two grand and put it into your hobby

God bless you if you mow a 20 degree slope with Zero turn!! Gentle hill no problem-- a slope, noway you catch me on ZT - seen what can happen on hills to zero turns.
The slopes in his picture I can mow it with my zero turn no problem.

You don't see John Deere riding mowers on the back of a professional landscape trailer do you those guys mow slopes all time with a ZTR.

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2305 is 1600lbs in mowing configuration. Yea sounds heavy. But any machine can tear up a lawn, depending on soil type and condition. ATV tires are the answer only if your lawn can take the abuse.

Bottom line: there is a reason they invented turf tires and their tread pattern, and put them on lawn tractors.... otherwise everyone would be selling high-traction tires for lawn tractors and marketing how safe their machines are on slopes and wet grass....
Think the operational weight of a 2305 is 1865 lb- depends on how its 'fitted" for mowing. Any way you slice it, a lot of weight for most lawns


As for turf tires your premise is off, The vast majority of LTís sold are K46 or weaker trannys. Turf tires are designed to break traction ( slip) before it damages the trannyís. So thatís why those type LTs have turf tires. Itís a design safety feature for the tranny. You put HDAPís on a K46 you are asking for a premature failure of the tranny

I havenít heard any problems with HDAPS on a K58/K62 transmission. The HDAPs are a good compromise, better traction than turf tires but much easier on lawn than the much more aggressive AG tires

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Think the operational weight of a 2305 is 1865 lb- depends on how its 'fitted" for mowing. Any way you slice it, a lot of weight for most lawns.....

....Turf tires are designed to break traction ( slip) before it damages the trannyís. So thatís why those type LTs have turf tires. Itís a design safety feature for the tranny.
I've actually weighed my tractor in mowing configuration just for fun - on a trailer scale - it's 1650lbs +/- scale tolerance, qty of fuel, and not including my fat butt sitting on it... LOL!
Still - it is a lot.... agreed.

I've had HDAPs on my G110. I know they are a good combination of improved traction yet easy-on-the-lawn.

However I completely disagree with the statement that turf-tires are designed and installed "in order to break traction on weak tractors"..... because that's just silly. The true reason turf tires are designed the way they are, is quite different.....

Everyone's experience is different. I would never put ATV tires on my tractor in order to improve traction for mowing - unless I was maintaining a hay-field or a pasture. For tilling / plowing my potato patch?... sure!... digging around and moving dirt with the backhoe and FEL?... yea.... but never for lawn-care.

My lawn is far to precious to tear it up like that. And I have real ATV tires on my 2 ATVs - so I know 1st hand what happens - even when just going straight. Your experience may vary, but i know what I see and feel under-foot when walking bare-foot on my lawn.

For mowing?... I mow my hill, ditch, and flat lawn with multi-trac c/s tires and diff lock. Both on the 2305, and the lighter 455.
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Re: Is a John Deere X380 enough for my yard

I'm in the x380 camp, mowed 2.5ac in Missouri for 27years with a LX188 with K61 tranny and never had an issue, no diff lock. Yes when the turf tires got worn I'd spin some but when I still had decent tread I never had problems. Buy HDAP's when you wear the turfs out. I have more yard and just as much slope. I now have an x540 with HDAP's and Difflock and love it but you don't NEED it IMHO

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