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post #1 of 29 Old 07-02-2019, 07:12 PM Thread Starter
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1025R: Which weights for hills?

I'm now planning to buy a 1025r (in previous thread it was an x570.......). Since I'll be mowing sideways on some hills I understand I should get some weights. Should I ask the dealer to put on 4 50lb. wheel weights as part of the deal? Or only two wheels?

Also, if I'm using the loader, is the backhoe attachment enough weight in the back or should I get a ballast for the back?

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Re: 1025R: Which weights for hills?

I would load your tires with rimguard. Much cheaper than iron weights. If you want more, I'd do the starter weights first, then the 50 lb weights if needed.

The backhoe should be enough when it's on.

If you are going to do loader work without the bh, you'll need other rear ballast.

On my 1025r, I run loaded tires, 70 lb wheel weights, 8 42 lb suitcase weights and then 6 50 lb suitcase weights if I'm doing heavy loader work.

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Re: 1025R: Which weights for hills?

Thanks. I heard some dealers were recommending against liquid weight. Not sure why though.... Any thoughts on that?
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Thanks. I heard some dealers were recommending against liquid weight. Not sure why though.... Any thoughts on that?
No idea. So they can sell more iron weight?

If you're not familiar with rimguard, read up on it. It's noncorrosive and non toxic and heavier than water. No real downside, except that you can't easily remove it if you wanted.

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Re: 1025R: Which weights for hills?

The two rear tires with Rim Guard (140 lb per tire). The front tires are on a pivoting axle. When the tractor tips past the critical roll-over tilt angle, both front tires are still planted firmly on the ground. Well before the high side front tire can leave the ground, there is zero chance of recovery. From unfortunate experience, wear your seat belt!

The center of mass of the liquid ballast is below the axle center line and will effectively lower the tractor's CofG more than any other ballast weight. Wheel weights are the next best alternative with the center of mass at axle center line. Ballast center of mass on the 3PH is usually above the axle centerline.

JD recommends 800 lb of ballast for loader work. That's about the weight of the back hoe. Empirical testing (Post #10) has shown that approximately 60% of payload is required for ballast. Since the loader is more or less balanced on the front axle, and the maximum payload is about 1100 lb, 660 lb of rear end ballast would be the minimum to counter payload and also have about the same traction as the tractor alone.

The loader will not lift an 1100 lb payload in the bucket more than a foot off the ground. As the bucket rises, payload capacity falls off and less counter weight (ballast) is required.

With 280 lb of liquid ballast in the tires, a minimum of 380-400 lb is required for combined wheel weights and the 3PH ballast to sufficiently ballast the tractor for all loader payload capabilities.

Note that a 1 Series SCUT has a bit longer wheelbase than an X7xx GT resulting in slightly improved leverage for ballasting to counter payload. The extra 200 lb+ of tractor base weight doesn't hurt either.

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Re: 1025R: Which weights for hills?

My local dealer says he uses Bio Ballast liquid and that it will add 80lbs to each rear tire. Think I'm going to get that.
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My local dealer says he uses Bio Ballast liquid and that it will add 80lbs to each rear tire. Think I'm going to get that.
At 75% fill level (standard) for a 26x12-12 tire (13 gallons):

- Water, windshield washer antifreeze, RV antifreeze - 100-110 lb per tire.

- Rim Guard - 140 lb per tire

- Calcium chloride - 160 lb per tire.

Either he's not filling tires properly, or that is one of the lightest fluids available. My understanding from reading posts is that Bio Ballast is similar to Rim Guard.

My dealer breaks one bead and lays the tire and rim flat on the ground to pour in the ballast through the open bead until it won't take any more, then airs it up to the correct pressure with a tarp over the tire and rim to confine the splashing when the bead snaps into place. The tire and rim are hosed down afterwards to wash away the residue.

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My local dealer says he uses Bio Ballast liquid and that it will add 80lbs to each rear tire. Think I'm going to get that.
At 75% fill level (standard) for a 26x12-12 tire (13 gallons):

- Water, windshield washer antifreeze, RV antifreeze - 100-110 lb per tire.

- Rim Guard - 140 lb per tire

- Calcium chloride - 160 lb per tire.

Either he's not filling tires properly, or that is one of the lightest fluids available. My understanding from reading posts is that Bio Ballast is similar to Rim Guard.

My dealer breaks one bead and lays the tire and rim flat on the ground to pour in the ballast through the open bead until it won't take any more, then airs it up to the correct pressure with a tarp over the tire and rim to confine the splashing when the bead snaps into place. The tire and rim are hosed down afterwards to wash away the residue.

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Either he's not filling tires properly, or that is one of the lightest fluids available.


They may just be going off of the Rimguard fill chart, which incorrectly has the 26x12x12 listed at 8 gallons, 89 lb.

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I'm now planning to buy a 1025r (in previous thread it was an x570.......). Since I'll be mowing sideways on some hills I understand I should get some weights. Should I ask the dealer to put on 4 50lb. wheel weights as part of the deal? Or only two wheels?

Also, if I'm using the loader, is the backhoe attachment enough weight in the back or should I get a ballast for the back?

Thanks all!
I'd experiment (CAUTIOUSLY!!) before adding a lot of weight you might not want for all your tractor tasks. Just how steep are the hills you will mow crossways? The mower deck does a fairly good job of ballasting you and its weight is as low as you can get anywhere on the tractor. My 54C weighs about 170 pounds; not a great deal as far as ballast goes, but it's centered between the front and rear wheels about 4 inches off the ground when mowing. I've mowed sideways on a few hills on my property where I couldn't stay seated without hanging onto the uphill fender grab handle.

The 1023 will have higher C/G than the X748 does, though (tractor alone without loader), so work your way onto hillsides carefully when trying it with a mower.

Once you add a loader and/or back hoe or rear ballast, even with the extra weight balancing you front and rear, your C/G will radically rise; exponentially when raising the loader bucket or back-hoe booms. Side-to-side balance will not improve significantly with ballasted tires or counterweights, because the tractor still has a fairly narrow track for its weight. Limit your travel to up and down a hill and not across with the loader in place. Don't test your ROPS.

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With loader and hoe attached, a SCUT will topple at a ridiculously low side slope tilt angle. Wear your seat belt!

It took me about 2 hours to straighten out my ROPS after I rolled mine.

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They may just be going off of the Rimguard fill chart, which incorrectly has the 26x12x12 listed at 8 gallons, 89 lb.

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I'll go along with that. My dealer also charged by that chart.

I weighed my tires and rims before and after filling.

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Re: 1025R: Which weights for hills?

My neighbor has a 1025R but with no weights at all and turf tires. He came over to see if he could do the hill next to my driveway and decided against it. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do it even with weights. The picture doesn't really help much but here's one:
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A SCUT can climb a pretty steep hill straight on. Don't forget that you have two gear ranges to work with if it's really steep. Make sure that you have turn around space at the top and bottom.

Side sloping is the problem that needs to be approached with extreme caution.

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