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Dump cart suggestions 18 vs 17p vs ???

Hi guys. I have a project coming up that will require a lot of effort out of a dump cart. I have an old steel 10 cu ft cart that likely isn't up to the task. It is also too small to dump my 48" loader bucket into without making a huge mess. Any of you guys have any recommendations on a cart under $500 that might fit my needs?

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The JD Model 18 would be a good choice. Even new it would be under your budget. But if you are searching around for a used one on craigslist to save a little money, add the Model 15 to your search parameters. It is the same identical cart as the 18 (except for a slightly different tire size). It used to be called the Model 15 when JD rated their carts by “struck” capacity (i.e., filled level to top, 15 cu ft), but later JD changed to “heaped” capacity rating and it became the “18” (likewise the Model 10 became the 13.)

If you stumble upon a Model 21 that would be a good option too, but they are rare and tend to be very pricey.




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What do you intend to do with the load once it is dumped into the cart? I love my 17P cart and use it for literally everything but there is one thing it doesn't do well and that is DUMP cleanly. Due to the angled shape of the rear of the tub it will not dump a load of dirt cleanly. You have to get in there and manually rake out the contents. In all other respects it is the best cart I have ever owned.
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I have a brinly 17 cu ft cart that I paid 350 for it measures 3' x 5' they say can carry 800lbs but I carry much less in it. If your dumping dirt or gravel in a cart from a loader you may want something more heavy duty like the king kutter carts.They run about 2400. Can carry a ton. Measures 4' x 6'. County manufacturing has a 2 ton cart. Measures 4' x 8' sells for 1700.

https://brinly.com/product/pct-17bh_17-cu-ft-poly-cart/

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You can buy a trailer 1700# capacity at Harbor Freight and build a box as a cargo area...If you do not care about fancy...look for a boat trailer that are always available for free and either build a cargo box on it or get an old oil tank...also usually readily available for free....both on craigslist.....cut the tank in half lengthwise and mount it on the chassis...half of a 275 gallon tank will give you a little more than half a yard of capacity..you do have to mount it in such a way that it will tip and empty ....I actually saw someone make a homemade bucket out of a scrap 275 oil tank once
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UT, good to see your back. I have been looking used and most of the carts I have seen in the last month have been too close to the price of a new one to even consider them. Obviously the last month wasn't prime cart selling time, but here I am looking. I will likely purchase a new one. It used to be I could find all kinds of deals, but I am in a slump lately.
-Do you think dumping a 48" bucket into the #18, which is 48" long, is going to work without spilling a bunch of material?

Jgayman, I was looking at poly carts initially since they went rust, make a bunch of noise, or dent. But the dump angle on them is terrible. I would really prefer a cart that dumps itself. I will be tired enough thru this project without have to shovel out my "dump cart." Thanks for the feedback.

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The JD Model 18 would be a good choice. Even new it would be under your budget. But if you are searching around for a used one on craigslist to save a little money, add the Model 15 to your search parameters. It is the same identical cart as the 18 (except for a slightly different tire size). It used to be called the Model 15 when JD rated their carts by “struck” capacity (i.e., filsled level to top, 15 cu ft), but later JD changed to “heaped” capacity rating and it became the “18” (likewise the Model 10 became the 13.)

If you stumble upon a Model 21 that would be a good option too, but they are rare and tend to be very pricey.
I have the JD 15 cart (steel) and the smaller JD 10 (poly). The JD 15 cart beats the poly for dumping hands down. It's 25 years old and even though I beat it hard it never gave me a minute of trouble.

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Dirt weighs 90 lb/cu-ft. I have a 17 cu-ft (struck) cart that I got at a scratch and dent sale at HD about 20 years ago that has carried a heaped load (1800 lb) many times that I filled with a 54" bucket with little spillage.

The down side of that cart is the plastic wheel bearings and the thin metal angle support brace across the back of the bed that objects to dragging the cart to complete the dumping process.

As suggested, an old boat trailer or tent trailer will have better axle/bearings can often be found for reasonable cost, and a plywood box with sufficient stand-offs from the axle for a good tipping angle would make a good cart with a decent volume. The axle should be shortened to match the tractor width.

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The Deere 18 Can carry the Most weight of any Deere Cart even more weight than the 21. I have a Deere 10P But My Plan is to get a 18 sometime this year

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UT, good to see your back. I have been looking used and most of the carts I have seen in the last month have been too close to the price of a new one to even consider them. Obviously the last month wasn't prime cart selling time, but here I am looking. I will likely purchase a new one. It used to be I could find all kinds of deals, but I am in a slump lately.
-Do you think dumping a 48" bucket into the #18, which is 48" long, is going to work without spilling a bunch of material?

Jgayman, I was looking at poly carts initially since they went rust, make a bunch of noise, or dent. But the dump angle on them is terrible. I would really prefer a cart that dumps itself. I will be tired enough thru this project without have to shovel out my "dump cart." Thanks for the feedback.

Hey Badger, thanks for the greeting.... On the used market, the Model 15/18 typically commands a solid price. Besides being well-built, I think one reason for that is the new price used to be higher than it is today. JD seems to have lowered the price on the 18 over time, and nowadays you can buy a new one for <$400 (check Home Depot as well as your JD dealer.) So, yeah, shopping for a used and driving an hour or two to pick it up may not pay-off.

I used to own a Model 15. I liked it a lot but it was a bit large for my operating area (Model 80s are my preferred cart - - I have been hording them and am up to 5 now ) Can’t say for sure whether you could avoid any spillage when dumping a bucket from the 45 FEL, but Tudor’s experience (above) may be instructive. A little spillage may be inevitable though.

The carts themselves have a swing/removable tailgate and beefy dump latch mechanism, so I prefer them to the poly designs. (Another advantage to the removable tailgate is you can detach it and then haul lengths of wood or other material that are over 4’ long.)




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How about using an old snowmobile trailer. Put some removable wood side on it . The when you are done keep it or sell it . Might be able to get one cheap this time of year . Just a thought .
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Love my JD 15S which I bought off CL several years ago and heaping load it regularly. Mostly carrying firewood out of the woods. I've looked at the 21 and found a couple things: it doesn't have the advertised weight capacity of the 15/18, it has a wider wheel stance that would not be as easy to wind through the woods with. I wasn't aware that the new price was dropping, so maybe new is an option. I would scout local CL for a 15/18, but near my deadline, I'd just go buy a new one. I can confirm they are very re-saleable, and do not lose value. Good luck with your quest.





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I have a model 18, it's HEAVY. I do wish the area where the end gate mounts was a little stronger as I've bent it before. Easy fix, but still. Overall it's a very heavy cart and handles everything I throw at it. 1 inch axle and the bed is smooth with no bolts for dirt to catch on. I would buy it again in a minute.

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Love my JD 15S which I bought off CL several years ago and heaping load it regularly. Mostly carrying firewood out of the woods. I've looked at the 21 and found a couple things: it doesn't have the advertised weight capacity of the 15/18, it has a wider wheel stance that would not be as easy to wind through the woods with. I wasn't aware that the new price was dropping, so maybe new is an option. I would scout local CL for a 15/18, but near my deadline, I'd just go buy a new one. I can confirm they are very re-saleable, and do not lose value. Good luck with your quest.





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I was reading some of the brochures online for the deere carts and found a pretty good explanation for the reduced capacity of the 21 cart. It is rated for that weight at 20 mph whereas the other carts in the lineup are only rated for around the yard speeds. It surely looks like a heavier cart and should easily handle what the 15/18 can handle. The wide wheels could present a problem in your environment tho.

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