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I am going to talk to our closest dealer on Monday but y'all just do not realize the JD dealers we have around here. One of the larger dealership's rep was so smug and arrogant I'll never ever darken their door steps again. To cover their butts I think they wear blinders and will not think outside the box; if it's not listed on mother deere's website then it can't be done, period end of story but I'm willing to ask once more.
A few thoughts Rude-- try calling Deere direct. They will ship to local dealer, you get free delivery and local dealer will have to support the warranty. If you order directly from factory – might as well get your options installed- consider these options, HDAP tires, 21 inch seat, brush guard whatever fits your fancy - at very least calling Deere you will find out if they will build a X580 with 48 inch deck. Good luck!!!

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Btw, the kicker is that within 15 minutes after sitting down with the sales mgr. of our local Kubota dealer I was recently approved for 0% financing whether I put a $1.00 or $5k down and given what I thought was a good price of $10.8K plus tax on a brand new BX1880 w/48" deck & loader valve. The hitch is it wouldn't be available for shipping until after 12/21/2018 which is no big deal but I can't justify a scut; the wife said just order it and quit patching on that old mower lol, so who knows???
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Just do it & get it over with.
Once you've had it for 2 months you'll be mad at yourself for waiting so long as-is. At least that's how it was for me and a couple other people I know that got similar machines after a years long debate and struggle with other machinery.

My mentor stepped up to a Kubota L2800 with FEL after running a Ford 9N with no live PTO, no live hydraulics, Dutch shovel, and no power steering for 20 years. He almost cried with joy the first time he brush hogged with it!


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I am going to talk to our closest dealer on Monday but y'all just do not realize the JD dealers we have around here. One of the larger dealership's rep was so smug and arrogant I'll never ever darken their door steps again. To cover their butts I think they wear blinders and will not think outside the box; if it's not listed on mother deere's website then it can't be done, period end of story but I'm willing to ask once more.
If that's how they treat you BEFORE the sale, think how bad it will be AFTER they get your money and you need help from them for warranty or advice or something...


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A few thoughts Rude-- try calling Deere direct. They will ship to local dealer, you get free delivery and local dealer will have to support the warranty. If you order directly from factory – might as well get your options installed- consider these options, HDAP tires, 21 inch seat, brush guard whatever fits your fancy - at very least calling Deere you will find out if they will build a X580 with 48 inch deck. Good luck!!!
Tony trust me my friend, been there done that and you know my record--lol. JD's customer service response was they leave it all up to dealer discretion. If a dealer bends over backwards for a customer JD will comply no questions asked; you're at the dealer's mercy and they know it. The last sales rep I talked too in person was a really decent guy and I felt he really tried to honor my 42" deck request on the X570. I even had a list with me which included the high back seat, brush guard, sun shade & manual hitch with check book in hand so he knew I knew that money talked and bs walked. He said he would call me and did but said the now retired owner's son, who I've known for decades thru a prior long standing business relationship, would not go along with my request so I thanked him and said ok. I talked to sarge and a few other here and against my wishes decided to get the 48" deck and a deck dolly; my son and the former coworker that welds on my Cub tried to talk me out of that dealer based on negative comments they have heard from their friends but even said they would help me fab a hoist to lift the deck for servicing if I was dead set dealing with them. Ok so plan made then I went back to the dealership and the sales rep was gone and was told he had transferred to dealership way up in north MS. The guy I talked to did not know sh** from Shinola much less even what a X5** series was and the owner's son couldn't be found so I left leaving my cell number but never received another call. Sorry for the long post but this was the chain of events that led me where I'm at now with JD.
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Just do it & get it over with.
Once you've had it for 2 months you'll be mad at yourself for waiting so long as-is. At least that's how it was for me and a couple other people I know that got similar machines after a years long debate and struggle with other machinery.

My mentor stepped up to a Kubota L2800 with FEL after running a Ford 9N with no live PTO, no live hydraulics, Dutch shovel, and no power steering for 20 years. He almost cried with joy the first time he brush hogged with it!
I understand that, my dad had a Snapper 1855 when we were a dealer back in the day and our family worked a garden for years because that was his passion. The only thing with the Snapper every time we hooked up the 42" bush hog it would destroy the rear pto pulleys & belts so he gave the bush hog to an employee to use on his 9n lol.
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If that's how they treat you BEFORE the sale, think how bad it will be AFTER they get your money and you need help from them for warranty or advice or something...
So true. A little history, when we had our family business back in the day they were the Briggs & Stratton engine distributor and we bought all our replacement engines & parts from them via a sales rep who came by once a week. They sold that business off, built a new building and acquired the JD dealership under the MS/AR AgUp franchise and the sales rep we dealt with stayed on. I actually ran into him in town at the old business we sold and he was working the power equipment parts counter part time to have something to do. He told me that once senior had retired and junior took over the JD dealership things started going south which is why he retired. My son and others have told me horror stories they heard from some of their customers but whatcha gonna do when they're the only game in town. I went to a larger dealer in another city and they didn't even acknowledge my existence when I walked thru their door, I even had to ask for assistance. I was told abruptly they don't stock the X5** and doubted they could find one then he sat back down at his computer. Yeah it's a gamble down here with any of them.
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I have an 08 x500 at home, been flawless.I have last year built x540 at the resort, I believe 2014, been flawless. my neighbour had 2013 x540 was flawless. He just traded it on a 590 this summer, machine was in shop for 2 weeks with injection problems. now I'm gun shy about injection on these.
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I am going to talk to our closest dealer on Monday but y'all just do not realize the JD dealers we have around here. One of the larger dealership's rep was so smug and arrogant I'll never ever darken their door steps again. To cover their butts I think they wear blinders and will not think outside the box; if it's not listed on mother deere's website then it can't be done, period end of story but I'm willing to ask once more.
It doesn't have to be on the JD web site. It's in the listing the dealer has which states it's an option, and it also states the amount to be taken off. I know this because when I negotiated the price of my 580 the dealer showed me the 580 listings and prices direct from JD to the dealers.
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Well we saved a bunch of money today; the dealer 17 miles from us looked on his computer and also what he called a JD buy sheet and said the 48" wasn't an offered option for the X580 and he couldn't help me. I had left a message at a dealer 30 miles from us before we left and he did return my call later, he was actually very friendly; the bad news is he said the same thing. I asked if he had any X5** series in stock and he said no just a couple of X3** series. He said give a minute and he would check the AgUp inventory but there were no X5** in inventory. He mentioned that I may want to call another dealer so I told him what we had encountered then he said "yeah, we're all the same guys". He did say JD usually has a spring special and he would keep my number and contact me if I wanted to pre order an X5** due to the franchise stores down here inventory very few if any X5**'s. He said the franchise stores here mainly inventory a few D series at least to offer an option rather buying at the box stores, also a couple of X3**'s but order heavy on ztr's & 1 series so they can swap inventory as needed within the different locations. I look on the bright side as the good Lord is watching out for us. The reason we were going out of town in the first place was my wife recently hit the carport wall with her Camaro and we were dropping it off at a collision repair center. That's setting us back $3K + change right here at Christmas because we're paying out of pocket rather than go thru insurance which would effect her accident free status. Our State Farm agent couldn't tell us if or how it would effect our premiums if we filed a claim - go figure. So that's where it stands for now but who knows what the spring will bring. It reminds me of the lyrics "Born under a bad sign, if it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all..."
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In RD case if He wants a 42inch deck all he needs to do is have 1 JD dealer order a X590 less deck and another dealer order a 42inch deck for a X300 series But not tell either one his Plans. I know it's kind of silly to have to do that. But The dealers In his neck of woods must not have real high IQ's The 42, 48 & 54inch Mowing deck for the X300 & X500 series use the exact same Mounting Parts. It's Not rocket science Just Make sure when ordering the deck that you order the Front Bale which Deere Now Calls a U-Bolt M175605

Parts Need to add a 42inch deck to a X500 series weather earlier or Later X500 series

U-Bolt M175605 X1 Labeled 2 or 9 In the Pictures Below

Nut 14M7275 X2 Labeled 6 or 13 In the Pictures Below

Washer 24M7047 X2 Labeled 5 or 12 In the Pictures Below

Trunnion UC14170 X2 Labeled 3 or 10 In the Pictures Below

Lock Nut 14M7466 X2 Labeled 4 or 11 In the Pictures Below

Cotter Pin M154221 X2 Labeled 10 or 14 In the Pictures Below

The Pictures Below 1 is a 42inch deck for a X330 thru X390 42inch deck

The other Picture is a 48inch deck for the X570 thru X590

See the front draft arm or U-Bolt There the same Part number Between the X300 & X500 series.

I Honestly believe if You show them the two Pictures and Hand them the Parts List They Might actually see the light and realize a 42inch deck will mount On a X570 thru X590 Otherwise they should Go Back to school and learn how to think outside of the box Jeeze
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Thanks Sergeant. When I first considered a JD you posted proof positive (see attached) that a 42" deck did fit under the X500 and I printed it out and carried it to the dealer. The sales rep looked at it and said he would get back to me but wouldn't promise anything. He did call and said after talking to the owner and their territory rep the deck did not apply to the current models and they wouldn't attempt it. I even mentioned ordering the tractor & deck separate but they said they would not tie up their service ppl @ $85.00/hr. to run a trial on anything that was not a posted option on current JD models. We were in the outdoor power equip. business for 26 yrs. and I can see their point with the extra labor cost and particularly in regards to liability if something went sideways with the application. I also doubt any rebates such as the Black Friday, end of season, spring savings or whatever the sales event would even apply to ordering just the tractor, a separate deck then all the separate belts/parts to make it work. If that were the case I would be out even more money and then have to be the one to assemble it so it's just not worth it to me if I can't buy it turn key ready. I am resolved that after my "been there done that" equip. sales & service experience this whole fiasco is on me for even asking them to do it. Heck it's winter anyway and a new unit would just be sitting there idle for several months so I'm not dismayed at all and will look at everyone's offerings in the spring. You know what they say, "patience is a virtue" and I'm striving to be a virtuous person lol.
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I don't Know if a U-Bolt come's with the deck that is why I listed the Parts. But I know the belt does and everything else there is no modification PERIOD...... When I bought two 42inch deck In 2016 the U Bolt Came along with the deck But those were Used I believe the U-Bolt come with it But I am Unsure

You Buy a Tractor X590 Less deck You Buy a 42inch deck for a X300 series separately as long as the U bolt come with the deck, All You Have to do is mount the deck. There are no extra steps to Mounting the deck ie 42,48 & 54inch all mount the exact same

You could even do it at the same dealer Tell them it for a X350 for your son He wants to go to a smaller deck has a 48inch right now and wants to go to a 42inch. But Your going to Purchase it for Your son. And see if They will let You Finance Both Under 1 deal if Yes. The when You get home You mount the deck Yourself to the X590 less deck that the dealer set Up.

In Your case a little white Lie will get you what You want.

I know You don't want to go with a 48inch deck if You don't have to.(and really you don't have to)

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Sarge,

All of this is making my head spin. When I ordered my tractor I ordered the 580 with a 48" deck. The dealer, Nashua Outdoor Power in Amherst, NH, told me there would be no problems, and that the price for the tractor would be adjusted DOWN -$300. When the tractor came in his people put it together, tested everything, and no problems since. There was another discussion at the time concerning another option and to prove his point he sent me a copy of the dealer configuration listing. The 580 was there with the 48" deck.

Also, I don't see where a specific model is listed for the 580 sale. Why wouldn't the OP be able to buy the tractor without deck and still take advantage of the -$800??? Makes no sense to me, but I don't live in MS, so who knows.
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All of this is making my head spin. When I ordered my tractor I ordered the 580 with a 48" deck. The dealer, Nashua Outdoor Power in Amherst, NH, told me there would be no problems, and that the price for the tractor would be adjusted DOWN -$300. When the tractor came in his people put it together, tested everything, and no problems since. There was another discussion at the time concerning another option and to prove his point he sent me a copy of the dealer configuration listing. The 580 was there with the 48" deck.

Also, I don't see where a specific model is listed for the 580 sale. Why wouldn't the OP be able to buy the tractor without deck and still take advantage of the -$800??? Makes no sense to me, but I don't live in MS, so who knows.
See the X530 and X580 shipped & ship from the Factory with a 54inch deck Don't Know why Deere does that They should do it the way the Did for the 325 thru GX355 until 2003 They all shipped less deck. Starting in 2004 Deere started to change that.

The problem is his Dealers are just to Stubborn or Pig headed to even try or Look Up what Your dealer did. The reason being is they believe That it only ships with a 54inch deck because that is how the X530 shipped and the X580 is the X530 (the other thing could be Plain and Simple Greed they don't want to have to drop the Price $300)(dealers don't Make a lot of Money for there cut On a New Machine several Hundred Dollars say $800 and the rest is Deere's). So In there Minds they won't even try. Because with the X530 if a dealer got a 48inch deck for there customer they would be stuck with the 54inch deck.

If they can't get the deck sold In 10 months they own the deck. Prior to 10 months it On consignment so they don't have to pay Mother Deere. Deere would not take the 54inch decks Back.

Smart dealer would Just order the X580 In with the 54inch deck and swap decks with a existing X300 or X500 series That has a 48inch deck But I am Guessing his dealers are Just Lazy.

Currently the X590 is the Only tractor shown to the Public to be shipped less Deck.

If a dealer Looked hard enough Bet they could order all X500 series Less Deck.


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