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Oh, look at that!



Looks like I'll eventually need to swap some spindles off Bror onto Johnny! The things you don't think about!

Hey you're making some great progress there! Me, I'm just hanging out in the garage briefly after having cleaned my driveways and sidewalks with Wally's 42 blade... Gotta go in and thaw out. Wanted to get this done tho, because its going down to -29 C tonight!
Glad you saw that. I was only worried about having heat treated spindles when I bought the axle on eBay. I got lucky it came the way it did. Took me awhile to figure out why it would take you till May to get work done on Johnny Crash. Then it dawned on me when I shipped the crank that the weather is little different there.


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Edit - Just saw your note about the big square headed bolt, so I figured I'd take a look at mine to see what was up with it. I can only fit my largest wrench (1 1/4") on one side of it and can't get a good grip on it... It would not turn, but I was able to shift mine by banging away on the other end with the wrench. So, rest assured, the pin is supposed to come out! How easily? That's tougher. I'd say the hole in the centre of the sleeve there

is probably designed for penetrating oil to be dropped in. The yellow on my pic is actually a schwack of rust. I never did remove this pin, because I had a heckuva time when I removed the pin from the top end of the cylinder getting that sucker to line up so I could get it back in. A jack and lots of cussing was involved. I should drop some penetrating oil on all these ones right now while I'm thinking of it!

Edit - Oh hey look! I wondered what you were talking about, "bolts" plural with square heads! THERE'S the other one, underneath! Learn something new every day!

Are your square heads right flush with that angle iron the frame is made out of? Both of mine are maybe about a 16th of an inch from that, so I have room to poke at the flat square end with a persuading hammer... Which seems to move both of them a bit.

Oh hey, just noticed that I put the top pin on the bucket cylinder in backwards! That curvy piece on that pin is supposed to go into the matching hole on the frame piece! Neat!

Hope you get them loosened off!
Just tried again to get those pins out. They are rusted fast!

Yes, there is a gap to work with. I used pry bar between angle irons, tried heat and not a hint of movement. Uuuggh!

That’s why it was giving you such a hard time, it was trying to tell you that it was backwards!

I could only get one pin out of the bucket also. The one pin rusted fast in there too. Frustrating!


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Glad you saw that. I was only worried about having heat treated spindles when I bought the axle on eBay. I got lucky it came the way it did. Took me awhile to figure out why it would take you till May to get work done on Johnny Crash. Then it dawned on me when I shipped the crank that the weather is little different there.
Well, actually, its not really the weather holding me back (heated garage is NICE), its the long unbroken stretches of not being at work that I need. I might be able to sneak out there some evenings once we're through the holidays, but LTGal works shift work and somebody has to hang with the kid...
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Looking good! I love that you said sand blaster... that's the right way to do it, by far. Way to go not cutting corners! I love this thread!

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its going down to -29 C tonight!

Good Lord NO!!!

I would have to MOVE!!!

We had a point in time here in Western Washington quite a few years back where an unusual flow of cold air came down out of the Fraser River Valley. The temperature dropped down to -7 F...…. I was way too COLD!!

That is like crazy Antarctic type of cold.

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Started with draining the oil which was bad, but not as bad as I thought it would be. Next, I wanted to get the bucket off. So I un hooked the hoses to the cylinder and tried getting the pins out. They were rusted in there pretty good, but I got them out. The other ones that I have pictured with the square heads, aren’t budging! I tried putting a wrench on the head and I’m pretty sure I’ll just snap it off. Will heat help loosen up the pin? I have penetrating oil on it now. I had to walk away and take a break before I broke something!
One way to free up the pins on a loader is to put the hydraulics to work. Fire up the tractor, take it outside and spray up the pins with a penetrant, then work the cylinders full stroke several times to work the penetrant in.

Pins will rust in place if the loader is not used on a regular basis or has sat for a long period of no use and you will work entirely too hard to get them out. A bit of exercise for the cylinders and some lube does wonders.

I never greased the pins on my GT loader in over 2000 hours of use, but the loader was cycled every time that the engine was started or the tractor wouldn't move and the bucket pins are all free to slide out with a light tap of the heel of my boot. The rest of them don't take more than a few taps with a hammer and punch.

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That is like crazy Antarctic type of cold.



Brrrrrrrr…….



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Good news! It only went down to -26!


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Well, Finally got those pins out. Ended up having to have them pressed out, and one drilled out. It was brutal! At one point I saw the gauge one the press go up to 5 ton! Just didn't have the time to put things back together and hope that they break free from use, but I appreciate the advice Tudor. Gonna have my buddy make me some new pins that look the same. I did get everything else disassembled and took everything except the cylinders, pump and hand controls over to get " sand blasted " and painted. The guy gave me a price of $400 for everything which included some welding on the extra bucket that needed two of the loops repaired. Saves me a bunch of time and the house smelling like paint, because basically I just don't have the space to do it inside.


Oh, I almost forgot that right before I was about to leave he mention that he had an old 1960 or 61 Cub Cadet that needs a good home. I told him that I couldn't come home with another tractor and didn't ask any more questions. But I have to go back and give him paint.
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Well, Finally got those pins out. Ended up having to have them pressed out, and one drilled out. It was brutal! At one point I saw the gauge one the press go up to 5 ton! Just didn't have the time to put things back together and hope that they break free from use, but I appreciate the advice Tudor. Gonna have my buddy make me some new pins that look the same. I did get everything else disassembled and took everything except the cylinders, pump and hand controls over to get " sand blasted " and painted. The guy gave me a price of $400 for everything which included some welding on the extra bucket that needed two of the loops repaired. Saves me a bunch of time and the house smelling like paint, because basically I just don't have the space to do it inside.


Oh, I almost forgot that right before I was about to leave he mention that he had an old 1960 or 61 Cub Cadet that needs a good home. I told him that I couldn't come home with another tractor and didn't ask any more questions. But I have to go back and give him paint.
For what its worth, 1961 was the first year of IH cubs. From '61 through '63, they didnt have model numbers. They were simply the "cub cadet." I have a low serial '61. IMO, they have the best looking grille IH ever used. Also, they used the identical transmission that was used in the Farmall cubs, so extremely overbuilt and coupled to a Dana final drive. Very tough machines.

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For what its worth, 1961 was the first year of IH cubs. From '61 through '63, they didnt have model numbers. They were simply the "cub cadet." I have a low serial '61. IMO, they have the best looking grille IH ever used. Also, they used the identical transmission that was used in the Farmall cubs, so extremely overbuilt and coupled to a Dana final drive. Very tough machines.
Uuggghhh! I just got back from dropping the paint off, so that is taken care of. But I just had to ask... “You said something about a Cub Cadet?”

So, I know this is a JD forum and everything I have up till now bleeds green. But... I have to say there is just something about this machine that is calling my name. I had to move a hood off of it and the guy was worried about the roof coming down on me, and this was the only pic I could really ask for. He did say it was a ‘62 and running before it went into “storage”. There is a mower deck on it and not sure if there is anything else that goes with it. I tried not to seem to interested. He also didn’t really know what to ask for it. Any ideas on what it’s worth?

Nick4030 what are thoughts since you have one? I wish I could have taken more pics.
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I don't know much about cub values, but I have heard they have really dropped the last few years. Mine is awaiting restoration but it does run nicely. I bought it strictly for its looks. I am sorry I'm not more help on value...

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I had an 1811 that I really liked but it was time to get a little more modern with my daily mower. I have noticed that even the diesel CC have come down in price over the last couple of years. They were good little tractors but like most things, they wear out and become showpieces. Having owned 318's and the CC 1811, it is easy to see how CC tried to copy the 318. On some of their models, they came really close but it seems like they always left something off. I did like the tranny cover the CC had and always wondered why JD didn't do that for the 318 series. The relief valves could have been accessed with no effort using the door. CC used disc brakes instead of drums on the 1811 which I thought was pretty progressive for the times. The deluxe model had power steering/ deck lift and hydraulic ports like the 318. I much preferred the Magnum 18 over the Onan. But just like JD, CC went full plastic after the 1811. On mine, everything was steel, hood and side panels, no plastic and then whammo, all plastic. Does that sound familiar?
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I don't know much about cub values, but I have heard they have really dropped the last few years. Mine is awaiting restoration but it does run nicely. I bought it strictly for its looks. I am sorry I'm not more help on value...

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Wow! Your right, that is a cool looking grill. That is also an impressive storage system you’ve got going there also. I may have to look into doing that if I get anymore tractors. I may have to put a bed on there too!
I am starting to calm down now. Money is tight with this loader project going on. I don’t think the CC going awhere soon,so we’ll just have to relax, be patient and see if it’s meant to be. I can’t see me paying more than 200-300 dollars. I just really don’t know much about these old machines.


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Well, Finally got those pins out. Ended up having to have them pressed out, and one drilled out. It was brutal! At one point I saw the gauge one the press go up to 5 ton!
Wow! Definitely cautionary tale for me! Makes me think I should go out, crank up the heat and see about getting the rest of my pins out and cleaned up! Although I'm told there's going to be some excavating happening this spring/summer for the incipient sidewalk expansion/garden bed relocation project so the last thing I want to do is break something!
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Well, Finally got those pins out. Ended up having to have them pressed out, and one drilled out. It was brutal! At one point I saw the gauge one the press go up to 5 ton!
Wow! Definitely cautionary tale for me! Makes me think I should go out, crank up the heat and see about getting the rest of my pins out and cleaned up! Although I'm told there's going to be some excavating happening this spring/summer for the incipient sidewalk expansion/garden bed relocation project so the last thing I want to do is break something!
I would definitely keep hitting them with some kind of penetrating oil, so that when you do go to use it on your sidewalk maybe it helps loosen them up like Tudor suggests.
Got my new pins made, three on the top. Also got some drive parts wire wheeled and painted last night. Just have to clean up up the lift mechanism and springs and paint them, then I can move on to loader parts.
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