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Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

Hey all,

It's been years since my last post, and I couldn't have thought of a better place to come back to to seek advice on my new purchase. My LA130 of 11 years is weak and I desperately need an upgrade. Quite frankly, I'm surprised it has lasted as long as it has. I have used it for snow blowing up a steep driveway, dethatched, aerated, swept, and rolled with it. Already fried 1 transmission on it and the 2nd one is extremely tired. Can barely get up the hill while mowing when she's running hot. Time for a major upgrade!

I visited my local John Deere dealer today and was initially interested in something in the 700 series, but think it might be a little ambitious for my 1.4 acre property. So I decided on something in the 500 series, both with the 54" deck with the mulch control option. I test drove the x590 first, and then the x584. I was really impressed with the turn radius on the x590 compared to what I am used to on the LA130! But when I test drove the x584 with the 4WS, I think I fell in love with the extremely tight turning radius. But as for the x590, initially what I liked better about it is the EFI and the nice fat rear tires.

I did have a couple of concerns with the 4WS since this is all new to me. I live on a corner property and like to get close to the embankment on the left side. If I get too close and try to steer away, will the back-end of the tractor actually be in danger of steering itself off the side?

Regarding cutting the lawn, I really love my lines to be nice and straight. Will the 4WS make my lines look squirrelly as I make very minor steering adjustments, and possibly leave uncut areas due to the rear wheels kicking out when this happens?

As for my needs, my property is 1.4 acres, almost evenly split between the front and the back, with the front being a constant uphill grade (about 20% I would say). The back slopes down (not as steep as the front) away from the house and levels out. I do have large garden beds that are curvy, so I would think the 4WS would really help with this. I plan on using the tractor for snow blowing as well for my steep driveway, which is about 250' long. I would really love the 4WD of the 700 series for this purpose, but overall, I just don't think the astronomical extra cost between the 500 series and the 700 series is justified for my size property and what I'm looking to do with it. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

I was torn between the x584 and x590, so I asked to test drive them again. Once again, I was blown away by the way the 4WS felt, and I could make such nice tight turns end-to-end. But again, EFI and the very attractive fat rear tires are pulling me to the x590. Ten minutes past closing, I told the salesperson to put a sold tag on the x584 and will come back Monday to put the deposit and sign the paperwork. This buys me a little time to ponder my decision before making it final on Monday, as well as to seek the advice of you wonderful people on this forum in between that time.

So basically what I would like advice on is the following:

1. Am I correct in looking at something in the 500 series over any other series based on my needs and property size/type?
2. Can you tell me any information about 4WS, pros and cons over 2WS? Can you do straight lines without looking squirrely? Can you overshoot your mowing area when steering away from a close edge and the rear tires steer outward?
3. Can you give me some reasons as to why I should choose one over the other? Or a different series altogether? If 500 series is good, which one of the two would you personally go with?

All information will be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much guys!!!

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Re: Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

I have the X590 and I really prefer it over the X584 due to the fact I have very few tight areas. I did test drive both the X590 and the X584 when I was buying and I was impressed by the steering on how tight a turn that the X584. I still went with the X590. Both are excellent machines and both will do what you want but the X590 for me works better. I also noted that with the differential lock on X590 makes this almost a mountain goat on the sharp rise I have at my on my septic mound.

My younger brother went to buy a X590 and ended up buying a John Deere Z-trac zero turn Z535 with a 54" deck but he also does not have a hill to deal with like you and so for his 4 acres of land the Z-trac works great for him. On hills any moisture on the hill is not a fun ride on a zero turn.

Fuel economy is something I noticed has gotten better since I bought my X590 now that am close to 50 hours and the machine hauls the bacon on the wide open areas. I can run wide open throttle and the deck engaged and my foot planted on the hydrostatic pedal to the floor and it mows excellent. I never had a garden tractor, lawn tractor or any other machine do this with over 4" of grass and cutting to 2 and quarter inches and it cuts the grass. The new Accel Deep Deck actually preformed as advertised. You can go as fast as you want and it will still process the grass. Straight line mowing with the X590 is excellent and with the power steering I am now spoiled and will never go back to a tractor without it. The hydraulic lift of the deck is also I thought was kind of a iffy until having used it on my bigger 2305 and really got to the point I really like having it. Just a slight pull or push and up and down goes the deck. The larger rear tires on the X590 really spreads the weight out on the X590 on my yard and does not show any rutting has my prior lawn tractors that I have had.

So for my place the X590 is a really good choice but for your place your gonna have to decide what actually works for you.

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Re: Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

Just placed an order for an X584. Lots of trees and fence lines, hills too. I drove the all-wheel steer and I was sold. I asked about the rear wheels as well and was told due to the 4-wheel steering wide tires won't fit on it. I'll see how it handles my hills in about 2 weeks. My best fit would have been the X739 (all-wheel steer, four-wheel drive) but the investment was just too much.
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I donít think you can go wrong with either choice. The advantage of the 584 is how extremely maneuverable it is. If that is the top priority then you should go with 584. As for me the X590 was the choice, I liked the looks and performance of the rear HDAPS, and the biggest factor in the 590 favor is the EFI engine and the constant speed governor. The engine has more HP than the 584ís and is much more fuel efficient.( my 25.5 HP efi engine actually uses less fuel than wifeís X310 and the 18.5 HP carbureted engine) Not only does it not bog down in grass, where the Efi engine really shines is in snow blowing, the engine wont bog down. If you snow blow with a LA130- Iím sure you are familiar with snow blowing a large amount of snow and engine starts to bog down and you are forced to slow tractor down. Iíve been able to blow thru 24 inches plus of snow without any hesitation at all from the 25.5hp engine the combination of the 47 inch blower and 25.5 HP Efi engine will work outstanding on your long driveway - so the 590 will outperform the 584 in snow blowing chores. How close to flower beds did you get with LA130? The X590 is fairly nimble and with power steering ( which BTW you will love) I can get in close to wife's flower beds

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Re: Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

I upgraded from an LA140 to an X394 for the 4WS, and I found that power steering was a fantastic thing as well.

The LA140 is fairly nimble, but the X394 will turn around in a smaller area. That's great for going around trees and spots in the yard where the mowing pattern requires tight turns. I also do a little less trimming with the push mower in the tight corners. I don't have any hills or embankments, so I haven't paid that much attention to the exact track the rear wheels follow when making a turn. That said, I don't believe the rear wheels kick out much farther (if any) than the path the front wheels just took. It turns on a dime, and it's almost as good as a zero turn. The only drawback I've found is that I need to slow down on tighter turns to avoid leaving bigger tracks in the grass. I'm not sure if that's due to the 4WS or the fact that that X394 is a little heavier than the LA140; I have a feeling it's some of both.

I have no trouble driving the X394 in straight lines. As easy as it is to turn, it's not so loose that you're fighting to keep going straight. I had no idea how much effort I was putting into steering the LA140 until I got a tractor with power steering. Oh wow, what a difference! I can literally turn the X394 with one finger. With 1.4 acres and a lot of turns, you'll be pleased with how much easier it is to do that job with power steering.

As mentioned above, the new deck really does cut well at full speed. I think my LA140 cuts very well. The X394 goes faster and still does a fantastic job of cutting.

I haven't really analyzed it to be sure, but I think the X394 is using more gas than the LA140. That's offset by the fact that the gas tank is bigger, so I don't find myself putting gas in more often necessarily.

You've got a tough decision there, as I could see the EFI in the X590 being a big plus in the winter. Unfortunately, you'd have to move all the way up to at least an X734 to get both 4WS and EFI. I don't use my tractors for snow chores, so I don't have any direct experience to share.

A tiny detail - both the X584 and X590 have the excellent high-back seat. I really liked the seat on the LA140 (it's the one with the lumbar adjustments that has a higher back), and I felt that the standard open-back seat on the X300's and some X500's was a downgrade. I put the X584/590 seat on my X394 with the optional armrests and love it. My dealer was kind enough to let me trade the open-back seat for some credit on the better seat.

Both the X584 and X590 are excellent machines.

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Re: Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

I first had the X360, forerunner to the X390, and was blown away with the turning radius of it.

I was looking for a replacement tractor for my sonís Craftsman DLT2000. He too has steep hills to navigate and a long drive to snowblow. The link below has pictures for your comparison. I too was concerned about the cost which led me to look for a used tractor and found the one I bought. He has NO problems with the hills, slipping, power, changing from deck to blower or back, turning radius around flower beds, or anything else. Itís also easy for his wife or 14 yr old son to handle. The thing that surprised him was how much faster he can do everything. I drove his Craftsman the other day and it travels about half the speed of the X730. I liked his so well, I went looking for something for me and found my X738 (second link) which I thoroughly love. Donít discount used. I was blessed finding these two machines and my SIL is loving the X360 for snowblowing and mowing. I even considered a Kubota BX1880 or BX2380. The 2380 is an awesome machine if you need a FEL. Biggest thing I found looking for my son was list all the little things and donít discount their significance. They add up to total satisfaction.

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Re: Upgrading to the x584 or x590 - Please help!

I have the X590 and donít find manoeverabilty to be an issue. My yard is steep (20-30%), and twisty, and it is extremely nimble.

Iím sure the X584 or X590 would suit your needs very well, this is why I chose the X590:

- The HDAP tires grip fantastically on my steep hills
- I want to do some ground engaging work, and more than just mowing
- I canít reconcile using carbureted engines in 2018, EFI makes much more sense and it sips gas
- The high back seat is a nice to have
- I prefer my machines to be simpler, and 4WS sounds like more to go wrong
- The dealer switched me out for a 48Ē deck, which fits my gates

Anyhow there are no bad decisions here, for some time I felt like I should have bought an X700, but after a few months Iím certain that for my needs (2.5ac, mowing, aerating, rolling, bucket, blade etc.), the X590 is a much better fit for much less money.
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Another vote for the x590. I prefer the real tractor feel and less moving parts to wear out makes it my choice of the two.

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My two main considerations when deciding upon the X540 and the X534 (4 wheel steering) was maintenance and snowblowing.

1) Maintenance Ö I wanted to keep it as simple as possible. The X540 had fewer moving parts on the back-end, which for me means less maintenance and less chance of something going wrong.

2) Snowblowing Ö I have a 300 foot, double wide driveway. I wanted a tractor where I could keep the back tires inline with the front tires most of the time, largely to have predictable traction. With 4 wheel steering, the back tires will dig into 'new snow' too often, therefore impacting traction Ö or at least that was my theory.

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Hey all,

It's been years since my last post, and I couldn't have thought of a better place to come back to to seek advice on my new purchase. My LA130 of 11 years is weak and I desperately need an upgrade. Quite frankly, I'm surprised it has lasted as long as it has. I have used it for snow blowing up a steep driveway, dethatched, aerated, swept, and rolled with it. Already fried 1 transmission on it and the 2nd one is extremely tired. Can barely get up the hill while mowing when she's running hot. Time for a major upgrade!

I visited my local John Deere dealer today and was initially interested in something in the 700 series, but think it might be a little ambitious for my 1.4 acre property. So I decided on something in the 500 series, both with the 54" deck with the mulch control option. I test drove the x590 first, and then the x584. I was really impressed with the turn radius on the x590 compared to what I am used to on the LA130! But when I test drove the x584 with the 4WS, I think I fell in love with the extremely tight turning radius. But as for the x590, initially what I liked better about it is the EFI and the nice fat rear tires.

I did have a couple of concerns with the 4WS since this is all new to me. I live on a corner property and like to get close to the embankment on the left side. If I get too close and try to steer away, will the back-end of the tractor actually be in danger of steering itself off the side?

Regarding cutting the lawn, I really love my lines to be nice and straight. Will the 4WS make my lines look squirrelly as I make very minor steering adjustments, and possibly leave uncut areas due to the rear wheels kicking out when this happens?

As for my needs, my property is 1.4 acres, almost evenly split between the front and the back, with the front being a constant uphill grade (about 20% I would say). The back slopes down (not as steep as the front) away from the house and levels out. I do have large garden beds that are curvy, so I would think the 4WS would really help with this. I plan on using the tractor for snow blowing as well for my steep driveway, which is about 250' long. I would really love the 4WD of the 700 series for this purpose, but overall, I just don't think the astronomical extra cost between the 500 series and the 700 series is justified for my size property and what I'm looking to do with it. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

I was torn between the x584 and x590, so I asked to test drive them again. Once again, I was blown away by the way the 4WS felt, and I could make such nice tight turns end-to-end. But again, EFI and the very attractive fat rear tires are pulling me to the x590. Ten minutes past closing, I told the salesperson to put a sold tag on the x584 and will come back Monday to put the deposit and sign the paperwork. This buys me a little time to ponder my decision before making it final on Monday, as well as to seek the advice of you wonderful people on this forum in between that time.

So basically what I would like advice on is the following:

1. Am I correct in looking at something in the 500 series over any other series based on my needs and property size/type?
2. Can you tell me any information about 4WS, pros and cons over 2WS? Can you do straight lines without looking squirrely? Can you overshoot your mowing area when steering away from a close edge and the rear tires steer outward?
3. Can you give me some reasons as to why I should choose one over the other? Or a different series altogether? If 500 series is good, which one of the two would you personally go with?

All information will be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much guys!!!

Best regards,
Paul
You may want to read this interesting thread about the x590. Also go to the search button on top right of page and just type x590 or x584 and all the threads come up about the tractors.

https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-jo...back-x590.html

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2) Snowblowing Ö I have a 300 foot, double wide driveway. I wanted a tractor where I could keep the back tires inline with the front tires most of the time, largely to have predictable traction. With 4 wheel steering, the back tires will dig into 'new snow' too often, therefore impacting traction Ö or at least that was my theory.
I'm not sure your theory is correct. Somewhere on here is a video of Stladril using his X300 series four wheel steer tractor for snow blowing. What I saw was the rear wheels following right in the tracks of the front wheels. When I turn with my X748 the rear wheels always get into the snow because the snow blower is exactly the same as the width of the wheels.


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I agree with ggsteve on this. I've used a 584 and was skeptical that the tires would track properly, ie. in each others tracks. They follow true front and rear so moving through snow, soft soil, mud, etc. won't be an issue.

As for the tractor itself I very recently bought an X580 from a dealer in NH (to save on the MA taxes). There are very few differences, three to be exact, between the X580 and the X590. The FIE, tilt steering wheel, and seat. Add that to the mix if you would like to save some money ($1000), which I promptly spent on attachments. In any case you really can't go wrong with an X580, 584, or 590.
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I'm not sure your theory is correct. Somewhere on here is a video of Stladril using his X300 series four wheel steer tractor for snow blowing. What I saw was the rear wheels following right in the tracks of the front wheels. When I turn with my X748 the rear wheels always get into the snow because the snow blower is exactly the same as the width of the wheels.
As far as I Know Stladril only had a X300 Model which he converted into a X366 Model By adding a K66 Transmission to a X300 Model

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- I canít reconcile using carbureted engines in 2018, EFI makes much more sense and it sips gas
This is big for me. I wouldn't buy a new carb engine when an EFI option is available.

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