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Re: Have you replaced your x-Series instrument cluster?

Very good idea, I have a dumb question, couldn't you have just hooked up a battery tender and left the ignition switch on and let the hours tick off?

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Wow! It looks like it was worth the hassle and expense of the new cluster. It really looks great. I know exactly what you mean about keeping the correct odometer reading👍

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Very good idea, I have a dumb question, couldn't you have just hooked up a battery tender and left the ignition switch on and let the hours tick off?


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Very good idea, I have a dumb question, couldn't you have just hooked up a battery tender and left the ignition switch on and let the hours tick off?
The hour meter only advances when the engine is running. The harness adaptor I made sent the same signals to the instrument cluster that it receives when the engine is running.


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Wow! It looks like it was worth the hassle and expense of the new cluster. It really looks great. I know exactly what you mean about keeping the correct odometer reading👍
Thank you - I'm pleased it worked.



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I would have done the same thing. Nice work!!

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Re: Have you replaced your x-Series instrument cluster?

Thanks for setting me straight, I know the older ones if you left the key on the hour meter would be running. That is a great set up that you did and Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Have you replaced your x-Series instrument cluster?

I received a question asking whether I'd loan out this adaptor.

Yes, if I have airtight assurance that I'll receive it back promptly & undamaged.




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If you have and would like to know how to adjust your hour meter to display the correct value, please take a look at my solution. (Note: it seems that many x-Series owners have either purchased a tractor with a failing or dead instrument cluster, or experienced it during ownership.)


A few weeks ago I posted a question asking for help locating a specific wiring harness connector (https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-joh...g-harness.html). A few MTF members helped identify the type of plug for me - thank you again!

Now the reason behind the request: when I purchased my '03 x595 in the Spring of 2012, the hour meter LCD display was failing. At the time of sale, the hour meter showed 311 hours, but the display was dim and portions of the digits were missing. I had the JD dealer produce a document attesting to the hours on the machine. At the time, JD wanted a pretty penny for a new instrument cluster (about half of what they're going for now). I resisted for a while but finally purchased a new one. I wrapped up the old cluster and then applied a decal under the hood stating "+316.7 hours".

Over the years I've performed my maintenance and simply added the old hours to the hours on the new cluster when recording maintenance. But it always bugged me, as I thoroughly enjoy this tractor and have no intention of selling it at any point in the next few decades. So I was determined to find a way to adjust the hours to display the correct, current amount.

I tried finding the answer in the shop manual schematics but kept coming up empty. It dawned on me that the display is passive, and does not factor in to the starting & running of the tractor - it merely reports information. Armed with that insight, I unplugged the instrument cluster harness, started the tractor and then metered each pin. I thought that whatever +/- values I found would be the same values received by the instrument cluster during normal engine-on operation.

Probing the harness revealed one pin with power and 8 ground pins. So I created a small harness using the correct 20-pin connector, female pins, some 18g wire and a 12v power supply. Once complete, I attached my adaptor to the dash, crossed my fingers, and plugged the power supply in. The glow plug light came on for a moment and the hour meter started blinking.

I've added approximate 158 hours to the tractor since installing the new instrument cluster, so now it was time to pile on 316.7 more to get the tractor to the correct reading. I've done just that over the last two weeks - only plugging in the tractor's harness in order to clear the maintenance reminder that illuminates every 100 hours.

The hour meter adjustment is now done, showing the correct hours that are in the machine. Some may find this rather silly, or frown upon the action of adjusting equipment hours. I see it differently - it's my tractor that I truly enjoy and have maintained & bettered in many ways. I'd like for the display to accurately reflect the hours on the machine. I view this as the polar opposite of odometer fraud/tampering.



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I am continually amazed at what you and several other members are capable of.

Oh and nice floor also. When I redid my garage I opted for Seal Krete, not as durable but looks good.
Thank you. More silliness on the horizon.



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I appreciate your desire to be honest with your machine, but if you can advance the new meter to suit your needs who is to know what is real? I have bought new clusters and new hour meters and have always given the new owner the old one when I sell them. If they want to cheat then it is their problem and their conscience and I can't change that. I understand what you are doing but I don't understand the reason. In five years from when you advanced the new meter who can say then that this is the correct amount of hours? You can and in your heart you will know it is the truth. But once the new buyer knows that it is a new meter that has been advanced, it is only your word that it is the correct time. I'm not being argumentative only trying to see the efficacy of what you are doing.
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I appreciate your desire to be honest with your machine, but if you can advance the new meter to suit your needs who is to know what is real? I have bought new clusters and new hour meters and have always given the new owner the old one when I sell them. If they want to cheat then it is their problem and their conscience and I can't change that. I understand what you are doing but I don't understand the reason. In five years from when you advanced the new meter who can say then that this is the correct amount of hours? You can and in your heart you will know it is the truth. But once the new buyer knows that it is a new meter that has been advanced, it is only your word that it is the correct time. I'm not being argumentative only trying to see the efficacy of what you are doing.

I did this because I wanted to.

The tractor will be with me for many years and I've kept the original meter.




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I appreciate your desire to be honest with your machine, but if you can advance the new meter to suit your needs who is to know what is real? I have bought new clusters and new hour meters and have always given the new owner the old one when I sell them. If they want to cheat then it is their problem and their conscience and I can't change that. I understand what you are doing but I don't understand the reason. In five years from when you advanced the new meter who can say then that this is the correct amount of hours? You can and in your heart you will know it is the truth. But once the new buyer knows that it is a new meter that has been advanced, it is only your word that it is the correct time. I'm not being argumentative only trying to see the efficacy of what you are doing.
Since the hour meter can only run forward what possible 'bad' situation could be perpetrated with an adjustment? Not sure I see what negative there could be in the eyes of a future buyer.

Besides that, it's a d a m n hour meter. it's a device intended to help the owner manage maintenance. It's not an odometer. Anyone buying a piece of equipment really needs to assess its condition and value based on visual inspection and other investigation. If you put so much stock into the hour meter that you ignore the rest then you deserve what you get.

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I appreciate your desire to be honest with your machine, but if you can advance the new meter to suit your needs who is to know what is real? I have bought new clusters and new hour meters and have always given the new owner the old one when I sell them. If they want to cheat then it is their problem and their conscience and I can't change that. I understand what you are doing but I don't understand the reason. In five years from when you advanced the new meter who can say then that this is the correct amount of hours? You can and in your heart you will know it is the truth. But once the new buyer knows that it is a new meter that has been advanced, it is only your word that it is the correct time. I'm not being argumentative only trying to see the efficacy of what you are doing.


It wouldn't matter if you gave the old cluster to the next owner. The hour meter is digital, when it fails you can't read it or pull the hours logged from it. So by not advancing the replacement you are providing the opportunity for someone to be dishonest. I guess it's possible someone could use this to advance the meter until it rolls over to zero if these digital meters do that, but I don't see any negative that could come from adding artificial hours to a machine that wasn't an effort to true it up.

I'm not sure I would want to go through this process for the 950 hours id need to add to my new cluster but nice work sir.

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That's why I asked what his purpose was. I can see the maintenance angle but to me once I heard "Altered" concerning the hour meter I would continue with the many other things I look at regardless of the hours on the meter. We have all had this discussion on this site and digital hour meters are very prone to failure. I would rather a seller tell me that it failed than to tell me he had fooled with it. It is only my preference and not a condemnation of doing it. I too have things that I want to be correct on the tractors that I redo. I cannot abide broken or chipped plastic or ripped or pulled-away-from-the-pan seats. Needless to say many here do not care about these items since they do not affect the function of their tractors. I truly wanted to know what the purpose of this advancing of the hour meter was. I also wonder if the rapid advancing of it might cause it to fail prematurely like the first one. JD should be ashamed of this design. I have a 345 with 260 hours on the broken meter. It is a 1999 so you can imagine how many real hours are on it. It set in a barn for five years unused. I figured that at 55 hours a year it would have about 650 hours. Luckily for me, I found a used meter on Ebay with 654 hours on it and along with the old one, I will present it to the new owner and the explanation of the current hours. I guess it is like advancing the hour meter but without all of the effort.
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^ inspectorrudy: You buy & sell tractors (presumably to make a profit). That's great.

I don't. This is my personal 14-year old x595 that I've grown very fond of over the last five years. Due to my efforts, it's now in exceptional shape, mechanically as well as cosmetically.

The incorrect hours shown on the new instrument cluster always bothered me. No one else, just me. I enjoyed the challenge of creating this 'solution' and did it for my own edification. By posting it on MTF, I knew I was inviting criticism, but I also hoped the idea may prove useful to others.

I'm sorry you view this as a wasted exercise on my part, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.




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