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post #5176 of 5236 Old 08-09-2019, 02:54 PM
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Don, these are the stairs you really need!



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It's going the wrong direction!!





I wonder if they would require an emergency elevator backup





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Most of the stairs you have here I would not want. My dog won't go up stairs that you can see through. At my age I don't want stairs anymore.

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Stair design:

- Magic number - 17 (rise plus run)

- Ideal rise - 7-3/4" (range 7-3/8" to 8-1/8")

- Depth of tread 10-1/4"

Make them to fit the space, or make the space bigger to fit the stairs. The legs start to go by the time you hit 60 and you will appreciate well designed stairs.

Spirals, curves, and corners do not lend themselves for easy movement of the 6' long oak dresser that the wife loves, or the king size playgrou . . . uh, mattress that you love.

My GF suffered a stroke a year and a half ago (her second, the first happened when she was 39) which resulted in paralysis of her left arm and leg. She no longer has access to the lower level of her home because the stairwell is too narrow for a chair lift. Something else to take into consideration.

Also, her 30" wide bedroom door jam took a major hit from her powered wheel chair due to poor vision and lack of width. I might be able to squeeze another inch of width into the situation due to the width of the hallway. Judge your room entrances accordingly.
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That's all good info but it's to tall for this one.


I'm looking at 9 feet to the 2nd floor so I end up with something like this.
7.25" Rise
11.0" Run
4 - stairs to landing 44" run 36.25 rise
40" x 80" landing = stair #5
10 - stairs (including the floor)
It leaves me with a 16th left over.
Or adjust the second floor concrete height.















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The legs start to go by the time you hit 60 and you will appreciate well designed stairs. Thanks, but hit that a half a decade ago

Spirals, curves, and corners do not lend themselves for easy movement of the 6' long oak dresser that the wife loves, or the king size playgrou . . . uh, mattress that you love.

A friend in high school was from Chicago where his dad owned a moving company. They tired of the cold and moved out o sunny Calif. I think I have heard more horror stories about moving everything from Grand piano's to safes up stairs. The one that stuck the most was tying the hid-a-bed before trying to move it. Seems they like to play jack in the box when turned sideways.
So the stairs will be made with 40 inch treads. Just a railing on the second floor, walls might come later.


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It's going the wrong direction!!





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I wanted to slide down one of those since I was about 5. The neighbor kid's dad was the Chief at fire station #1 and we would go and look at the trucks. We went upstairs and her dad showed me the pole, I said I want to slide down it. I should have just jumped on it.
He didn't think it was a good idea for a little kid. Shoot!! what was wrong with that guy, hasn't he ever seen the monkey bars a the playground!!
That thing had to be close to 8 feet high with a pole in the middle and all kinds of bars around it where a kid could bang into if he/she wasn't careful. I think we had better play ground equipment back then, not so kid safe as now days.
Even big giant truck tires under the parallel bar. he slide was probably as tall as the monkey bars, you could get a nose bled from that height, We used our sandwich bags to wax it. Try that with a zip lock bag.


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Re getting objects up stairs; borrow an idea from the Dutch, have a big window that opens with a hook or ring above it outside. you hook a pulley there when you need it.

They built them that way in 1600, and still do today.

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Course with no walls and only a railing, I could use a fork lift.







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As a kid we used to jump off the barn loft and hit the ground running that was a good nine or ten foot.. Not letting a kid try a fire pole is just crazy. I guess the safety poliece hit Califorina early. All the fun things we use to do back in the fiftys is too dangerous now.


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That's all good info but it's to tall for this one.


I'm looking at 9 feet to the 2nd floor so I end up with something like this.
7.25" Rise
11.0" Run
4 - stairs to landing 44" run 36.25 rise
40" x 80" landing = stair #5
10 - stairs (including the floor)
It leaves me with a 16th left over.
Or adjust the second floor concrete height.

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Try this:

- 5 X 7-13/16" risers to the landing.

- 9 X 7-3/4" risers to the second floor.

- 10" runs on all treads. (Note that the run is not necessarily the depth of the tread. There is also a bullnose that makes the tread deeper. and the bullnose can be as much as an inch added to the 10" run.)

- 39.0625" rise to the landing.

- 69.6875" from the landing to the second floor.

- 108.75" Total rise.

Using the magic number, the runs would only be 9-1/4" plus the bullnose. That would save a few inches on the size of the hole in the 2nd floor or make for more space on the landing. (I vote for more landing space.)

Our city hall has longer than normal runs on the outside concrete stairs and I've always found them to be a bit awkward until I lengthen my stride. Nowadays, lengthening my stride is not so easy.

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Course with no walls and only a railing, I could use a fork lift.

Not so far off. A friend used a 25 ton Grove crane to lift his king size bed and furniture to his 3rd floor bedroom before installing the new (modern) window.

I used a special high lift device on my GT loader to lift a 26' roll of carpet to the second floor deck of my home. From there it was relatively easy to hand bomb it straight into the attic space that was 3' higher over the main part of the house. Unrolling a 26' long by 12' wide carpet between walls that were only 11' apart was a whole other story.

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I wanted to slide down one of those since I was about 5.

Me too! However, I never even got close to having that opportunity. I've been in fire stations, but never upstairs. I have two grandsons that are Firemen and their stations are one story! What's up with that? Not eve a Dalmatian dog, either!

I think we had better play ground equipment back then, not so kid safe as now days.
Even big giant truck tires under the parallel bar. he slide was probably as tall as the monkey bars, you could get a nose bled from that height, We used our sandwich bags to wax it. Try that with a zip lock bag.

Here it is! The mother of all slides!


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Then there was this one! The Killer! Kids would be slung all over the place! Somehow, we survived.




And this. We used to climb under and over on it.


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What about just riding bicycles on public roads?

I've never been the same since that concussion...

Actually, it might be time to get bake on the bike; we're having a fuel truck driver's strike. The pumps ran out before the strike even started, there's no diesel and gasoline is rationed to 15 liters per customer.

I was able to but agriculture diesel though, so if the car runs dry I can still drive the tractor to go shopping.

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I wanted to slide down one of those since I was about 5.

Me too! However, I never even got close to having that opportunity. I've been in fire stations, but never upstairs. I have two grandsons that are Firemen and their stations are one story! What's up with that? Not eve a Dalmatian dog, either!

I think we had better play ground equipment back then, not so kid safe as now days.
Even big giant truck tires under the parallel bar. he slide was probably as tall as the monkey bars, you could get a nose bled from that height, We used our sandwich bags to wax it. Try that with a zip lock bag.

Here it is! The mother of all slides!


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Then there was this one! The Killer! Kids would be slung all over the place! Somehow, we survived.




And this. We used to climb under and over on it.




I know!! My BIL started at station #2, it was a single floor station out where space was not an issue. They at least had the fire dog. He eventually became the Chief at station #1.


Yeah!! That's a slide!! Plus two places to slide down on the sides. Note* did you notice where they sprayed roundup around the posts so they could just mow around them!!! Back in our day they just used diesel fuel.
It is amazing how we all managed to survive the things we did, and the merry-go-round.
I take for granted that everybody knew about the summertime cool of thing we did by poking the sprinkler socket with a piece of re-bar. Can you say old faithful!!! That only worked where they used the huge rain-birds so that might limit it.


That's a rough situation Mark. At least you could possibly meet up with the lady on her tractor & have tea or something. Maybe start a tractor cruise night. . . . .


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You are so right about appreciating well designed stairs.
Way back when I was a delivery guy, (three and a half years worth) it was common to have 20 to 30 stops per route. All were commercial buildings, some multi level with freight elevators others in small commercial complexes. Then the ones spread over acres with many grade changes and an assortment of steps in the court yards. You soon learned how to use a dolly and we had a full variety, some with the long fold down foot for carrying suit case type cases stacked as high as you could manage to cut down on multi trips.
Several had stairs that were the open steel type and would climb five or six floors. Many stops were mail only and we just hauled it in canvas bags up the stairs. There were some buildings that just were harder to navigate. The ones with shorter rises seemed to be the dreaded ones that took forever to get where you were going but that was on 19 - 20 year old legs.


I guess Larry and his dog won't be visiting any time soon, I like the looks of the open stairs.
They seem to not look so massive.


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- 10" runs on all treads. (Note that the run is not necessarily the depth of the tread. There is also a bullnose that makes the tread deeper. and the bullnose can be as much as an inch added to the 10" run.)
Yep, know about the stair nose, after checking the codes again, I can go with a 10 inch tread width which helps.
Another caveat to landings, the code states they need to be as long as the stair width. So since it will be 40 inches wide the landing will need to be a minimum of 40" making it a 40"x80" landing.


Good use of the tractor loading the carpet, you mean you couldn't have pre-cut it!!





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