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post #31 of 43 Old 12-19-2018, 11:32 AM
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Can anyone comment on the so called ďframeĒ issues? What to look for and what to avoid. Iíve gathered some information from the web. However, I think hearing some personal experiences would be helpful.
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My brother-in-law has the Tundra. They replaced his frame a few years ago, at no charge, due to the rust. I don't think he's had any problem since. He lives in CT and his truck stays outside.

I have the Tacoma. As mentioned, it's my third Tacoma over 30 years. I also live in CT, but my truck is garaged. I've never had any frame problems. I did get some fender rust, just behind the front tires, at the 12-14 year mark on the previous two Tacomas. But I suppose that's to be expected in CT.

During the winter months the liquid salt from the roads drips onto my garage floor so bad that I have to sweep up about a 1/4 inch of salt crystals now and then. Cal

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I live right behind a Toyota dealership,and about once every 2 weeks,I hear horrendous crashing noises,and it is from a forklift dropping truck frames into a huge dumpster ,they seem to have a stack of a dozen or more they replaced under warranty each time piled up behind their building,and they dispose of them every couple of weeks..

I'm in southeast MA where salt gets heavily applied even before a flake of snow falls often,so the vehicles here get rusted and rotted out fairly quickly..

I've seen truck less than 10 years old have severe frame rot,cross members failing,backing plates,spring shackles,and spring hangers all the steel lines for the brakes,transmission cooler and fuel lines ,all rotted to death,while the rest of the truck still looks new as far as body panels and the floor & interior..

At least Toyota seems to stand behind their trucks and will replace or repair a frame,can't say the same for most every GM pickup I see made from 2000 and newer--they rot badly too,the steering boxes tear away from the frame,and they have boxed in sections that rust from the inside out just as explained above.

There are thousands of trucks for sale "for parts only" of that era ,due to frame rot,and GM tells all the customers "gee--too bad,you should have washed it more often",or "sorry--that isn't covered under warranty"..

I think anything with a box frame or unibody should be suspect of having severe rot ,possibly hidden inside,in any state located in the salt belt..trucks that were in floods are also prone to box frames rusting away internally..
Many FWD cars up here have the front frame cradle rot thru where the rubber body mounts bear against it and they pull right thru,allowing the engine and transmission to droop to the ground..my friend repairs a lot of cars that has happened too..


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I live right behind a Toyota dealership,and about once every 2 weeks,I hear horrendous crashing noises,and it is from a forklift dropping truck frames into a huge dumpster ,they seem to have a stack of a dozen or more they replaced under warranty each time piled up behind their building,and they dispose of them every couple of weeks..

I'm in southeast MA where salt gets heavily applied even before a flake of snow falls often,so the vehicles here get rusted and rotted out fairly quickly..

I've seen truck less than 10 years old have severe frame rot,cross members failing,backing plates,spring shackles,and spring hangers all the steel lines for the brakes,transmission cooler and fuel lines ,all rotted to death,while the rest of the truck still looks new as far as body panels and the floor & interior..

At least Toyota seems to stand behind their trucks and will replace or repair a frame,can't say the same for most every GM pickup I see made from 2000 and newer--they rot badly too,the steering boxes tear away from the frame,and they have boxed in sections that rust from the inside out just as explained above.

There are thousands of trucks for sale "for parts only" of that era ,due to frame rot,and GM tells all the customers "gee--too bad,you should have washed it more often",or "sorry--that isn't covered under warranty"..

I think anything with a box frame or unibody should be suspect of having severe rot ,possibly hidden inside,in any state located in the salt belt..trucks that were in floods are also prone to box frames rusting away internally..
Many FWD cars up here have the front frame cradle rot thru where the rubber body mounts bear against it and they pull right thru,allowing the engine and transmission to droop to the ground..my friend repairs a lot of cars that has happened too..
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Thanks for the information. I guess Iíll need to take my borescope with me while shopping.

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Thanks for the information. I guess Iíll need to take my borescope with me while shopping.
I would highly recommend it. And keep in mind too that some surface rust is ok and normal. But when we are talking obvious rot and deep pitting and especially flakes, thats when I would be concerned. You should be able to hear the sound difference with a hammer too, though a visual inspection is always preferable.

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I believe that Toyota had a recall on Tacoma frames, but I don't know the affected years. My brother bought a previously owned Tacoma and the dealer would not let it go until the recall was done. They provided him with a car, which was a good thing because it took months for them to get the frames and get it done.

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I understand that the Tundras can really suck down fuel
I get 18 mpg out of my Tundra regularly, combined city and highway, so I cannot see it being any worse than any other truck and that is with a REAL 8 cylinder that I feel will hold up better and last longer being worked and used. The Eco Boost engines do produce power, no doubt, but to do that a lot of heat and stresses are also generated, IMHO they will wear out faster.




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Avoid anything Ford with the 5.4l and 4.6l Triton engines like the 04-08 F-150s and I think the 5.4 was in a few of the Super Duties as well. The variable valve timing system on them is notorious for going bad. I owned one for 2 years and between the up front cost of purchasing and the subsequent repair bills I probably could've bought a brand new King Ranch!

Timing chain, chain tensioners and cam phasers all failed and had to be replaced 2 or 3 times and it's a big job. Also the cylinder heads are aluminium so you'll never be able to get the spark plugs out thanks to dissimilar metal corrosion and it's a 2 piece spark plug so it'll probably break off and you may as well replace the head at that point. The whole engine is made of like 7 different kids of metal so everything corrodes together and it's horrible to work on and you're almost guaranteed to break something.

My independent mechanic that I had been taking my 1994 F-150 (that I still have) to since high school wouldn't even touch my '07 because he didn't want to have to cover the cost of a new cylinder head if something broke off in it and he couldn't get it out. Another mechanic advised me to trade it in immediately after she gave it back to me.

It was really a shame cause of the 3 trucks I've had it was my favourite as far as styling and the features it had but the engine was just junk.
Did they change materials from before 2004?

I have a 2001 F150 XLT Supercab with a 4.6L Triton, bought it in the fall of 2012 with 143000 miles on it for $5250.00. It had been well taken care of, looked like 43000 miles by the shape it was in. I now have 224000 miles on it. Just starting to rust. I have replaced the pipe between catalytic converter and muffler, u joints, brakes, front spindles with rotor, (just as easy to replace as have them turned down). Plugs a couple times, the big game changer was MSD coil over plug, refreshed the 4.6 to a very satisfiable condition.

I do know that the engine needs to be cool before you attempt to change the plugs and there are special sockets with extensions attached that curbs pulling the extension and the socket stays on the plug frustration!

I have read where the valve guides leak and cause oil to be burnt off which leads to oil consumption, check often.

I've used Mobil 1 and K&N filters with the 1" nut on the end since I have had it.

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Just was looking on local Craigslist out of curiosity and found an '03 Chevy 1500 2wd. Single cab short bed with 4.3l V6 and 5 speed stick. For 2k. Pretty much rust free, not sure on miles but you might be able to find a truck like this pretty cheap and it's got plenty of guts to tow.

Nissan Frontier would be a decent choice. Though I would not recommend the earlier hardbody v6 models. Good engines, but boy oh boy, what a royal pita to work on. Took me forever just to do the starter. Hardly any room in the engine bay or underneath, everything's crammed together. Not fun trying to do an engine replacement in that thing.

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Did they change materials from before 2004?

I have a 2001 F150 XLT Supercab with a 4.6L Triton, bought it in the fall of 2012 with 143000 miles on it for $5250.00. It had been well taken care of, looked like 43000 miles by the shape it was in. I now have 224000 miles on it. Just starting to rust. I have replaced the pipe between catalytic converter and muffler, u joints, brakes, front spindles with rotor, (just as easy to replace as have them turned down). Plugs a couple times, the big game changer was MSD coil over plug, refreshed the 4.6 to a very satisfiable condition.

I do know that the engine needs to be cool before you attempt to change the plugs and there are special sockets with extensions attached that curbs pulling the extension and the socket stays on the plug frustration!

I have read where the valve guides leak and cause oil to be burnt off which leads to oil consumption, check often.

I've used Mobil 1 and K&N filters with the 1" nut on the end since I have had it.

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I guess Thursdays is when the dumpster gets emptied at the Toyota dealer --just heard the "CRASH" of more frames and metal being dumped in the roll off truck's dumpster..
Sounds like a bomb going off !..

If I were looking for a used truck,I think it would pay off to fly to AZ or some other desert location and try to buy a rust free one there,rather than pay top dollar here for a "southern truck"..there are several used car dealers that specialize in muscle cars and older trucks up here,that haul a dozen or more back from the southwest and they mark them up 100% or more ,and they sell,because people want rust free ones,and cant always afford to go get one themselves--shipping costs are expensive too..


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I guess Thursdays is when the dumpster gets emptied at the Toyota dealer --just heard the "CRASH" of more frames and metal being dumped in the roll off truck's dumpster..
Sounds like a bomb going off !..

If I were looking for a used truck,I think it would pay off to fly to AZ or some other desert location and try to buy a rust free one there,rather than pay top dollar here for a "southern truck"..there are several used car dealers that specialize in muscle cars and older trucks up here,that haul a dozen or more back from the southwest and they mark them up 100% or more ,and they sell,because people want rust free ones,and cant always afford to go get one themselves--shipping costs are expensive too..
No kidding. I wonder how much longer they will be doing that. Seeing as the 15 yr ext. warranty is over pretty soon. Interesting.

Definitely agree, it's not that expensive to travel when you factor in the added cost of a "clean" truck up north.

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Here is a pic of my 2012 Ram (Contractor Special). It has 20500 miles. Not a scratch on it! It stays in my shop mostly because our car gets twice the gas mileage. I just don't use it much. I like everything about it, even though it is fairly basic but nice. It has the 4.7 engine which I wish was the 5.7. Empty, it performs very well but it has trouble pulling a heavy loaded trailer. A ton of fertilizer is about the limit if in hill country. Keep looking and I think you will find one like this.
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Here is a pic of my 2012 Ram (Contractor Special). It has 20500 miles. Not a scratch on it! It stays in my shop mostly because our car gets twice the gas mileage. I just don't use it much. I like everything about it, even though it is fairly basic but nice. It has the 4.7 engine which I wish was the 5.7. Empty, it performs very well but it has trouble pulling a heavy loaded trailer. A ton of fertilizer is about the limit if in hill country. Keep looking and I think you will find one like this.
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