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Re: Forge

Went to the February Blacksmith's guild meeting, had a good time talking with fellow Smiths and watching demonstrations. Bought a two pound Rounding / Flat face hammer from one of our members. He makes some great hammers, all done by hammer work (no power hammer).

After getting home I repaired the clutch on my chainsaw and finished cutting the Pecan tree stump to the correct height to mount the anvil. Used a router to cut out the shape of the anvil base to 1 inch depth on top of the stump. This will make the anvil more stable and less side to side movement. I might still clamp the anvil down to the stump but I like to be able to turn the anvil on it's side at times. Nice to be able to use more surfaces of the anvil than just it's top.

I put a thick layer of paint on the bottom to help preserve the stump's base from rotting, I'll do several coats in the next few days. I'll coat the rest of the stump with polyurethane to try and keep the insects from burrowing into the wood. I'll most likely drag out a chunk of broken concrete from my pile and bury it level with the ground where I want my anvil to sit to help keep the stump out of the dirt.

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post #32 of 47 Old 02-02-2019, 08:04 PM
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Re: Forge

Looks real good! Wish I would have grabbed an anvil from my dad's place. Got the old lathe though.
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Looks real good! Wish I would have grabbed an anvil from my dad's place. Got the old lathe though.
Thanks, Forging area finally starting to look like a forge shop.

LUCKY you, I always wanted to learn how to run a lathe!

Been drooling over one of these for years....Just a bit out of my price range.

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Painted a second coat on stump base, Sprayed polyurethane all over stump...soaked top down thick to seal end grain. Laid down the concrete base for the anvil stump...productive morning.

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Re: Forge

Worked on the gas forge some today.

Upgraded housing from a coffee can to a Balloon Time helium cylinder. Cut the top off then welded it to the cylinder side as a base for the forge. Drilled a hole in the cylinder side for the gas burner mounting sleeve to be welded on. scrounged parts up for forming the interior cavity when refractory mix is tamped down around form.

Dinner time so called it a night.

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Re: Forge

Alright...got a little time this morning during the rain to work in my shop.

Installed a center slip form into the tank, drilled a hole into the the PVC pipe for the burner tube. Cut from bottom of PVC pipe to sides of drilled hole so it can be removed while sliding pipe up and out of the rammed refractory. Used a plastic cup to hold PVC cut out in place, then wrapped duct tape around outside of pipe to seal cut lines. Slipped this form over burner support pipe that's welded onto the tank's side. Centered the PVC pipe by eyeballing it.

Mixed up the refractory and began ramming it around the PVC form. I've decided to make this forge into a pass through forge (front and rear ends will be open) allowing long stock to stick out from both openings. This will be less efficient in heat / gas but I can work on the middle of long projects. Will make a hinged door with refractory lining later to close the back opening when not needed.

Left about 1/4" of steel tank wall sticking up above rammed refractory mix, planning to coat the inside walls and face of the forge with a protective refractory paste to protect the softer rammed refractory lining once it has cured.

Will allow to dry for several days then do low burns to cure the refractory mix before applying protective coating.

Done for now.

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Good and bad news...

Good News: Got the refractory packed around the PVC form, bad thing is face of the refractory broke apart while removing pipe. It can be fixed but was hoping for a better first try.

Note to self, wrap pipe in wax paper, the Water Glass chemical adheres to the smooth plastic pipe. I had to fight to get the pipe out and resorted to cutting the pipe out with a saw-zall. The refractory mix becomes very sticky, quickly with the addition of the plaster of paris as a hardener.

Since I damaged the refractory I decide to go ahead and fire the forge after only a day to dry. Found out I used to much of the Water Glass, it began bubbling out from the metal casing. I was thinking I had to coat the Perlite thickly but I'll be using about half of what I did this time on my next build.

Let the burner run naturally aspirated for about 45 mins then gave it a short burst of forced air from the mini-shopvac to check out the burner. Horseshoe nail did get to forging temp while naturally aspirated for thirty mins but became orange hot in less than a minute when air was forced down burner tube. The perlite melted nicely together also.

Now have to build an air gate to control air flow to burner and I need a much smaller fan / blower than the mini-shopvac.

I may also have to cut base off and turn the burner to a more upright position, then reweld the base back on to the tank side. Was hoping for more of a tornado (swirling) effect from the burner. Flame hits the opposite wall then flows out the ends. Blocked off one end and this did help to conserve heat.

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Re: Forge

Gas forge working good, I need to put burner straight up so I'll be cutting the base stand off and rewelding. Hair drier works perfect for air flow, just the right volume on LOW setting. Heated horseshoe nail to weld heat in about a minute. worked great on 1/4" round stock also.

Forced air burner very hot, the flame is damaging the refractory so I'll be getting a thin fire brick for the flame blast area.

The hair dryer / PVC pipe set up is temporary, pipe is held together with electrical tape. I'll make a more permanent mount for the hair dryer.

Otherwise very happy with the build.

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How far into the flame did you have to go? Would this work as well standing vertical?
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How far into the flame did you have to go? Would this work as well standing vertical?

Draw a straight line from the burner tube to the opposite wall, that's where the flame blast hits. was thinking the flame would swirl around inside the round chamber, but it hits the wall and flows out each end opening. I wanted the metal stock to be out of the direct blast...now I think it will be more efficient in the flame blast area.

The horseshoe nail was laying flat on the current floor of the forge....maybe 2-3 inches out of the direct flame, it still heated up quickly to bright yellow within a minute (after forge had been heated up for 20 mins or so).

I plan on cutting the base / stand off of the tank and rotating the burner to the straight up position so the floor of the forge will be directly beneath the flame blast. I'll have to buy a thin firebrick to protect the floor of the forge.

Hope this answers your questions...if not ask more questions.

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Worked a little more on the gas forge.

Relocated base stand so burner tube is now straight up from the forge floor. Made the hair drier blower more compact, still need to put a diverter valve inline so air flow to burner can be controled better. Currently using HI and Low fan settings on hair dryer to control air flow. Fitted a firebrick to lay on floor of forge to take the burner blast, cut it from an old pizza cooking stone I had laying around (my cast iron pizza pan works much better than the stone).

Played around some with the forge heating up flat bar and horseshoe nails to time them. Working great so far and happy with the function of the project. I do need to polish the forge build up some to make it more professional in appearance...Paint and polish!

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I got three forges but I do most of my forging cold these days.
I got lucky and I bought a 570 Peter right for $100.00 in great shape.
Check out this neat hammer. Any idea what it was used for?
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I got three forges but I do most of my forging cold these days.
I got lucky and I bought a 570 Peter right for $100.00 in great shape.
Check out this neat hammer. Any idea what it was used for?
LUCKY you on the Peter Write anvil!! Prices have gotten outrageous, even for junk anvils around here.

Looks to be a purpose forged hammer. Blacksmith needed to get around, underneath or behind another part of a forging.

wonder if it could be made as a hot former, like a flattener but to make half round shapes??

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Nice Kevin. Seems like just yesterday but in reality it's been almost three years since the"evil minion forge." https://www.mytractorforum.com/230-a...ater-tank.html and https://www.mytractorforum.com/230-a...ater-tank.html
The pictures of the new setup look great. Like the raised anvil on the stump. Just too bad it wasn't all out under a big old spreading chestnut tree.

Under a spreading chestnut-tree
The village smithy stands;
The smith, a mighty man is he,
With large and sinewy hands;
And the muscles of his brawny arms
Are strong as iron bands.

His hair is crisp, and black, and long,
His face is like the tan;
His brow is wet with honest sweat,
He earns whate'er he can,
And looks the whole world in the face,
For he owes not any man.

Week in, week out, from morn till night,
You can hear his bellows blow;
You can hear him swing his heavy sledge,
With measured beat and slow,
Like a sexton ringing the village bell,
When the evening sun is low.

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Nice Kevin. Seems like just yesterday but in reality it's been almost three years since the"evil minion forge." https://www.mytractorforum.com/230-a...ater-tank.html and https://www.mytractorforum.com/230-a...ater-tank.html
The pictures of the new setup look great. Like the raised anvil on the stump. Just too bad it wasn't all out under a big old spreading chestnut tree.

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Time is running way out of control for me! My granddaughter just turned 4yrs old, WOW! Seems I was just holding her in one arm and rocking her to sleep. Now she's four going on twenty one.

Still use the minion forge when I want a coal fire, the propane gas forge was built so I could have a more controlled fire for small items and ornamental twisting on square stock.

Read that poem as a boy, I don't recall the author but have always liked it.

Thanks!

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