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Old 10-14-2009, 04:49 PM   post #1 of 18
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Here's my dilemma:

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I own 5.5 acres of land of which 3 acres is lawn. It is mostly flat except along the road front where there is an embankment that runs the width of my property line, about 400 feet. There are very few trees/obstacles. Currently in my arsenal I have:

- A Toro Commercial zero turn with a 48" deck and 21hp Kawaski Engine for mowing
- A Craftsman GT5000 I use for blowing snow and hauling my dump cart around when working the garden
- A 30+ year old wood splitter
- An Ariens 8/24 push snow blower
- A small Toro 2-cycle snowblower (decks and walkways)

In essence I have four machines with their own engines and I'm constantly maintaining them all. It is time to simplify.

My thought is to sell them all, except the small snowblower, and go with a JD 2520 or similar with a front mount blower, loader, and 72" MMM. Guys on here who own them seem to love them. Plus I love the idea of having a loader for all those jobs that require moving anything heavy by the shovel full. But I'm concerned about the mower.

Does anyone have a 2520 with a MMM? If so which size? I can cut the 3 acres in about 1 hour with my Z. I trim mow by hand will continue to do so. I just don't want to sell everything and go drop $20 large or so on this setup and regret it. I don't need to sell the Z but to buy a MMM for $3,000 and not like it makes my stomach churn. I don't want to make a huge mistake.

Your input is appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:07 PM   post #2 of 18
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Well, a 2520 w/o a MMM weighs 1865 lbs dry...so one thing you'll have to answer how soft your yard is...
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:37 PM   post #3 of 18
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My lawn is fairly hard. I only have about 2-4 feet of soil above the bedrock. The home is in an old corn field that was subdivided. It drains quickly in the spring and hardens up faster than any house I've owned.

The Z weighs about 1,000 lbs and the tire area is much smaller than four turf or R4's on a 2,000 lb tractor. In other words, I think the lbs/sq inch weight may actually be less on a 2520 vs. the Z.

As far as tires go I think I'd like R4 Industrials but I know I'd be better off with turfs. Does anyone mow with R4s?

If you think I should just keep the Z that's OK too. The JD will be a little tougher sell with the wife if I don't mow with it though!
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:52 PM   post #4 of 18
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As far as tires go I think I'd like R4 Industrials but I know I'd be better off with turfs. Does anyone mow with R4s?
The R4's tend to have a little rougher ride than the turf which can lead to an uneven cut. I have the turf tires on my 2305 and I still get an uneven cut because of bounce when I have the FEL and the BH on it. Turf tires will give you a smother ride but there still is the bounce factor of the heavier tractors.

Ooopsss, forgot my point. The MMM is a great deck as long as you take your time and watch for the bounce. I like mine but I know where to slow and where to take it easy for the best possible cut.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:07 PM   post #5 of 18
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We have 16.5 acres with a 2320 loaded R4's front and rear with 62D mmm. We mow abt 5 acres have abt 10 of field that is sprayed and disked a few times a year and abt 1 acre of garden that we have a 647 tiller for. SO a mmm should do you fine. Also have a 5ft Frontier BB a Soil Pulverizer and 72" Landpride rear blade and Buhler 50" 3pt snow blower as well as a 62 gal 3pt sprayer and a bunch of other stuff. So I would assume a 2520 should work fine on a place like yours.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:56 PM   post #6 of 18
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If that embankment is very steep I would consider a 2305 it is also lighter at 1450lbs vs 1865lbs.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:31 PM   post #7 of 18
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Default Re: MMM Cutting Performance

Can't comment on the mowing with the CUTS, where I live and being a business they are simply to heavy, I can tell you of every tractor I own the 2520 is the best all around for what I use it for.

As for R4's vs Turfs, man that is a tough one, the 2520 with Turfs is amazing, look at my post on Start to Finish, I have both tires but opted for the turfs for this job as they stick better to bedrock, now we are adding fill and even in the freezing rain, rain and wet snow over the past two days, traction has not been an issue at all and I am glad I left them on.

Once again where I live R4's can chew up a lawn pretty fast, granted we are generally doing loader work.

If your ground can support the weight, although it's desperate hard on the lawn for compaction, I would take the Turfs, even on ice they have better traction in my experience.

If you didn't have loader work, I would suggest the X749, what a dream machine this thing is for mowing and yard work and it seems to run on fumes...the 2305 is a great machine and works well for what we use it for, haven't used a 2320 so I coant't comment but if you opt for the 2520 you will never look back, go with the 7 Iron deck, in our business they are considered one of the best in the market.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:49 PM   post #8 of 18
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I'd have to agree with Andy. For the best cut I'd use a LT, GT, or ZTR. I had an X500 and that was a dream. The cut was great and I could zip along quickly. With a MMM on my 2305, I have to know it's limits and constantly watch things. I'm very picky about my cut so I can already tell that I will be buying a X320 in the future once I can afford it. I mainly use my 2305 for FEL and BH work. Once I'm done with that, it will be my heavy hauler and the MMM will get retired.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:52 PM   post #9 of 18
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I have a question, do you have a yard or a lawn. If is a lawn and the main use is cutting then the smaller unit might be better for you. If it's a yard then get the bigger unit.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:58 AM   post #10 of 18
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The lawn is very smooth, I can run the Z at full speed (9 mph) with no bounce or scalping issues. I have a small area behind the house where the kids play with a small pool, sandbox, play set, etc, and I push mow with a bagger so I can clean up the clippings. Keeps the house and pool much cleaner.

I think after reading this I'll keep the Z and save the $3,000 I'd spend on the MMM. I probably couldn't get much more than that out of the Z anyway and it doesn't take up too much room. A stored MMM takes up space too. There, I just talked myself out of the MMM.

Thanks again for the replies!
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Is it $3000 for the drive over MMM? Check this out it's much nicer then mine rack.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:04 AM   post #12 of 18
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I have the 2305 with the 62" deck. My yard is "smooth enough" to ride at full speed.. when I do, it takes me about 1 hour to cut 2.5 acres. This is with about 30-40 trees, planters, pond, and other obstacles where you slow down / go-slow (ditch, and about 1550-2000 feet of tree-line). Going at a more moderate speed, it takes 1.25 hours.

the deck chews through anything... and when the blades are sharp, the cut is perfect.

My only wish was that I could get the muching conversion kit, for less than the $400 that it costs. I side discharge today.

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Old 10-15-2009, 10:12 AM   post #13 of 18
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Is it $3000 for the drive over MMM? Check this out it's much nicer then mine rack.
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The JD website lists the 72" MMM for $3,140.

The 2520 with the 200CX loader, 72" MMM, 47" Front Mount blower, loader/mower diverter valve and a few other goodies rings up at $24,378. What would this go for out the door?
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The lawn is very smooth, I can run the Z at full speed (9 mph) with no bounce or scalping issues. I have a small area behind the house where the kids play with a small pool, sandbox, play set, etc, and I push mow with a bagger so I can clean up the clippings. Keeps the house and pool much cleaner.

I think after reading this I'll keep the Z and save the $3,000 I'd spend on the MMM. I probably couldn't get much more than that out of the Z anyway and it doesn't take up too much room. A stored MMM takes up space too. There, I just talked myself out of the MMM.

Thanks again for the replies!
^^^ I agree with that. I would check out http://www.tractorhouse.com/list/lis...RE&MDLGrp=2520 or http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-U...mpact-tractors to compare prices on used ones and a few new ones on there.

You may also look into a rear mount snow blower, might save some money since they are usually cheaper than a front mounted one. Also, the turf tires do have a ton of traction on anything but mud.
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My only wish was that I could get the muching conversion kit, for less than the $400 that it costs. I side discharge today
I just purchased a mulch kit for $190 (American) out the door. I used it once yesterday. For my grass clippings, it was nice. For mulching my leaves, I was a little disappointed. Better than without the mulch kit, but not great. I plan on trying the gator blades.

Maniac: Once I leveled my MMM deck, it seems to cut as nice as my father's X500. I also store it on a modded mover's dolly (similar to Mayor's): therefore it takes up very little space.
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