IH 444 Tractor...Clutch Specs needed.

[JimInOz]

HI Guys,
I'm new on the site today,& enjoying the boards so far.
I just renewed the clutch plates on my dual clutch 444 diesel tractor.The adjuster toggles & bolts had come apart,so I renewed a few things while I had the tractor split.
Before I return the clutch assembly to the tractor,I need to get the specs & adjustment procedures for the 3 adjuster bolts,to ensure I get it to function properly.
If anyone can supply this info or some advice,please let me know.

EMAIL: dozerparts@yahoo.com.au


Jim

[Milwaukee]

Can you tell me what rear tire size is? I am get tire chain from my Uncle so i am worry if it too small for my Ford tractor.


Welcome to here MTF

[parts man]

Jim, the clutch has to be bolted on the flywheel to make the proper adjustments. I don't remember finger height right off, but the set screws for the second stage are set at .080 clearance.

[JimInOz]

Hey Partsman,
I gather you're a specialist with these 414,434,444,etc.
I bought mine a few years ago,as a "make do" unit,as my good Nuffield 3/45tractor is at Dad's place.He won't let me bring it back home!
I figured I need to tidy up the 444 a bit,while I have the clutch out....so I'm changing oils,fixing up water pump,wiring,etc.I also have a leaky seal near the axle/wheel area.The 444 has been a handy tractor,so I'll hang on to her.

Anyway,if I fix the clutch into position,& adjust to your spec,is that all that I need to do.??
Another guy told me to make up a U-shaped bracket to measure from the forks....but without a diagram,I couldn't really understand what he meant..
He also told me 0.90 clearance ???

Any chance of a few scans from the manual.??
I'll take any advice you have.


Jim

[parts man]

Jim, I will try to remember to scan a few pages from the service book and PM them to you.

[JimInOz]

HI Parts Man,
That would be great...just what I need.
While I'm waiting,I'm doing minor repairs on the tractor,& setting up a rear blade.
Can you also give prices for that water pump bearing & seal...if you stock them.
Thanks..


Jim

[parts man]

Jim, your buddy was right, the clearance is .090, sorry. Anway, I got a few pages scanned and posted to my website. http://www.chowntractorparts.com/man...ies-clutch.htm

[JimInOz]

Hey Parts Man,
Thanks for the scans...just the right time too,as I'll tackle the install tomorrow.
I'm a bit concerned,as I didn't make any reference marks on clutch assembly before removal.
I'm hoping I'll be able to align everything so clutch plates merge with shafts when installing.
Any advice here is gladly taken.

Thanks again
Jim

[parts man]

Use a pilot shaft when reinstalling the clutch and every thing should slide together OK.

[JimInOz]

Parts Man,
I have a general auto pilot shaft,with interchanging fittings.
This has done the job,but it's just a round shaft ...not a trans shaft.

I'm joining engine & housing together now ,but having trouble getting the last 2 inches back together.
I figure I just need to get it perfectly aligned...it may not be meshing properly.


Thanks for your help.

Jim

[parts man]

Put the PTO in gear and try turning the shaft a little bit to get the splines engaged. Make sure you don't try to force it bolts or what-not, that can bend the disks and cause problems.

[JimInOz]

Hi Parts Man,
Well,I got the tractor re-joined....no big problem there....
BUT....When I push down on clutch pedal,it stops part way.
It feels like I get a little of normal operation,then it feels like the pedal is sitting on a brick.It just wont go down full travel.

I am trying to get my head around all the moves the dual plates & mechanisms make,to see what is wrong.
I'm sure I inserted everything by the manual's instructions.

Any thoughts??


Jim

[parts man]

Did you get the .090 clearance between the heads of the bolts and the tabs on the pressure plate?

[JimInOz]

HI Parts Man,
Unfortunately I did that,& it acted as I said...pedal down a little,then it stops dead.
I even took it out again & gave more clearance....this gave slightly more travel,but not much better.

I've had 2 lots of info sent to me....one shows 0.080 & one shows 0.090 for dual clutches.Each set of instructions shows a different finger arrangement on the clutch cover.
My machine has the 3 fingers with the joining plate (shaped like a large,thin nut).

I'm unsure what to do now.I figure I might take the assembly to a local tractor repairer,to see if he can see something I don't.

Jim

[JimInOz]

Hi Parts man,
I got the tractor working OK & ,more importantly,got the grass slasher into action.I was able to tidy up the long grass around the boundary of my 20 acres,in time for the Summer bushfire season.
Also added a blade to the rear of the tractor,which has no linkage.Blade works by pushing in reverse gear,& is lifted by a long ram I had here.
Ideal for light pushing jobs..
Clutch & PTO are going OK,but the old 444 is well worn.
Thanks for your help.

Also wanted to mention a site I saw recently: madelectrical.com
Some good reading about Alternator wiring,etc.

Jim