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Old 07-08-2007, 12:28 PM   post #1 of 20
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Anyone ever use that brand of paint? I was over at the Tractor Supply Store and saw that they had Valspar Tractor & Implement Enamel for sale. 1 Gallon for about 22 dollars. They also sell the hardner for 11 dollars. The directions say that it has to be mixed for 30 min before use. The compatible primer is about 4 dollars a can gray or red. I think I can apply this paint with a brush.
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Use it often Dag.

Good stuff, maybe even the best bargain for money available. Their hardener works very well too. Cuts drying time down to 50% or 4 hours to touch (at 72).

I sprayed, rolled and brushed it on, and it does what it says it will. It WILL fade on tractors and equipment that are exposed to the elements...but it is tough, chip resistant, and when applied properly, withstands power washing without lifting.

My ONLY beef with the company (Valspar) is they do not make a clear coat, nor is any other companies clear coat compatible. Which IMO, would make the product last much longer (5-6 years instead of 2-3) when exposed to weather.

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Old 07-08-2007, 02:47 PM   post #3 of 20
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Great Mark...Then I know what primer, paint, and hardener to buy now. I will be brushing it on. With any luck I will paint the engine in a week. I'm hoping the will humidity drop. I think I will paint in the morning when the temperature is about 75 and let the heat of the day dry it out. Thanks again.
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Dag, If you use Naptha instead of thinner (or mineral spirits) it will flash of quicker (especially when you add hardener).

If you use denatured alcohol as 'final wash' before prime and paint it reduces any trapped moisture to 100%. Many of us around here combat humidity from prepared surfaces ready for prime and paint. I use it on both and it does work well.

Good luck and can't wait to see pic's ,

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If I am going to use a brush will I have to use thinner? I will be giving it a bath in alcohol just prior to painting. Another great tip. Today I found more dirt on the front of the engine so I will get all of that off before going to paint prep. I also found a problem with two of the fasteners for the exhaust and intake manifold. I will have to solve that problem as well. I didn't want to take the manifold off. Now it looks like the only way to fix it is to remove it. One of the studs looks galled.
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If I am going to use a brush will I have to use thinner? I will be giving it a bath in alcohol just prior to painting. Another great tip. Today I found more dirt on the front of the engine so I will get all of that off before going to paint prep. ....
I think you'll be surprised to find that it is a high solids enamel, or heavy viscosity (very thick). If you're using the hardener it will dilute the paint considerably.. You can use the hardener in the primer as well. The Naptha, which is a thinner that reduces well but evaporates much faster (than mineral spirits/thinner) will help in combination with the hardener.....neither are absolutely essential to make the paint look nice....just cure faster.

w/o hardener/naptha - dry to touch in 12-18 hours
w/o thinner/naptha - dry to touch in 8 hours
with both + paint - dry to touch 2-4 hours

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Got a question,I have used this (Valspar)with good results in the past,BUT,I shot some silver over 3days ago and also some black.The black dried great.But the silver,different story.You can rub your finger across it and get the shiney on it?? Everything was shook,stirred and shaked while sprayed.What gives?I did notice that it really didn't "gloss over"as normal paint will after finshed.Any ideas?
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I don't recall ever having any problems with the silver BPS. It does sound as though something happened to prevent the catalyst from curing the 'vehicle', or clear solids commonly found in silver (or metallics).

If you can still read the lot #'s on the bottom of the can...or have any left, I would take it back to TSC and check the same color and batch or lot numbers to see if it's old or out of production.

Usually it's the painters fault, but if you follow the same preperation and technique, then it's not uncommon for chemical failure to happen...especially if the paint is old (many have a shelf lilfe of 12-18 months) or was missed wihen the rep came in to rotate the stock.

Are you using 'BPS' or 'Restoration Series' valspar ??
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Dag, I restored my Wheel Horse 416 with it last year. Just restored the deck last weekend with it- cans. Its great stuff. I don't know how well it brushes on never did that.

I sprayed it and boy was it thick- needed serious thinning. I used Naptha as well. The hardener produces a real glossy coat, that I liked. Looked much more original, had a powder coated look to it. I used a Rustoleum brownish red primer, then put on the Valspar. Came out great. Use a lot of primer, and coat it good. You'll use less paint.
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I really like it; I used it on my Farmall F-12
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I used it, better with the hardner but works either way. Like wiggle's said shinny, also it's a harder, longer lasting finish, also drys quicker like mark metioned. Just remember if you use the hardner, after 8 hrs is no longer any good. So only mix what your going to use.

Depending on the finish color, I also used there (gal) Red Oxide Primer , or the Buff primer they have.

I think brushing it might be better with mineral spirits/thinner because of the working time. I think the can says that. I might even leave out the hardner. The quicker it dry's the harder it is to make it look good with a brush.

The trick to brushing is to get it on so its all wet, quick, and leave it alone. The brush marks will flow out, but if you back brush to much it leave's brush marks because the paint started to set up.

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Silver will do that, You really have to keep shaking silver the whole time your spraying. Even silver rattle can paint will do that. Keep shaking and leave it good and wet looking.
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It is BPS,and I shook the gun all the way thru the paint job.I saw what it looked like in the can and figured I'd better!!I cked it today and it's not as bad.We have had some rain I guess with the humity it will totally cure in time.The bad part is I just hate like **** to have to retape,wet sand and do it all again!I would not recommend using silver,I have not had any trouble using any other color they stock.I had worried about this way before I even started with the silver.I have much better luck with a "straight"color.Anything that looks like oil on water after it's stirred has got be a bear to shoot.
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It is BPS,and I shook the gun all the way thru the paint job.I saw what it looked like in the can and figured I'd better!!I cked it today and it's not as bad.We have had some rain I guess with the humity it will totally cure in time.The bad part is I just hate like **** to have to retape,wet sand and do it all again!I would not recommend using silver,I have not had any trouble using any other color they stock.I had worried about this way before I even started with the silver.I have much better luck with a "straight"color.Anything that looks like oil on water after it's stirred has got be a bear to shoot.
At this point with the silver, you could whipe it down with a rag to remove the loose stuff and shoot with clear made for oil base. Even a rattle can of clear would work long as its for oil base.
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At this point with the silver, you could whipe it down with a rag to remove the loose stuff and shoot with clear made for oil base. Even a rattle can of clear would work long as its for oil base.
I have never found a clear that is compatible with oil base paints. I've even talked with the chemists at Valspar and they do not have, or can recommend a suitable clear that will adhere to their BPS or Restoration Series paint products.

I read that PPG's 'Durathane' clears is compatible with every paint available. I then talked with my PPG rep and he said "No...not for oil based or synthetic enamels". So....if anyone has a known catalyzed clear coat that will permanently stick to oil base and enhance the durability and shine - Please let me know .
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I've not used Valspar,but nearly ALL silver or "aluminum" paints like Rustoleum will rub off on skin and clothes after it's dry..the "chrome" spray paints do this as well..just the nature of the beast,it has so much mettallic dust in it's pigment,it kind of "chalks" like house paint does..

I like using Aluminum Rustoleum on rusted steel you cant do a great job of prepping,or dont care too,like on fence posts and chain link fence--it will repel new rust better than any other color or paint,period..I have slathered it on with a brush on rusty pipes I used for fence posts,without even sanding them at all,and it has taken 15 years for the rust to come back through!..

It also works great for an undercoat on plywood or boards on a building,campers,etc..seals the pores and wont let water intrude..

I notice where I used some on my garage endwall it has not peeled or lifted at all,but all the white paint is hanging off and flaking badly where I didn't use Aluminum paint under the topcoat...I might just paint it all with Aluminum and LEAVE it aluminum,but I'll have to be careful not to brush up against the garage or I'll have silver clothes..

I used to mix automotive paints,Dupont had a clear coat for straight enamel,as well as hardener,but I suppose they have banned it by now or no longer make it..Dulux was the name for their "allklyd enamel" back then (1980's and 90's)--I think the clear was #900S,and the hardener was #77S....but since I've been out of that buissness,they have outlawed laquer completely,and have also eliminated or changed many of the other paints as well..

Acrylic Enamel like Centari was the state of the art back then--now they have polyurethane,and some paints are more like resin than paint,like Glasurit and some of the new basecoat clearcoats..some are water base too,have been for nearly 20 years!..the "farm store" is about the only place that sells regular enamel pretty much around here now,or hardware stores..
Rustoleum is the best seller here,I have seen Valspar in Lowes and other discount stores,but not the tractor enamel,just regular house hold paints..

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