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View Poll Results: When do YOU think a tractor no longer a tractor?
When it no longer runs under its own power. (uh oh, then I'm over-subscribed) 2 5.56%
When it no longer rolls, powered or unpowered. 0 0%
When it has been reduced to its smallest parts. 8 22.22%
When some or all of its parts are sold or incorporated into other tractors. 17 47.22%
Whenever I decide that I'm just not going to restore it. 12 33.33%
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:03 AM   post #1 of 18
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Default So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

So, feeling a little bit existential tonight, after having torn Cranky (my donor JD 110) down to nothing but a bare frame and a tote full of bits and bolts tonight. The question was raised about WHEN should a tractor cease being a tractor, and thereby be removed from one's list/inventory of tractors... So, after a nice glass of wine, I figured a poll was in order!
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:30 AM   post #2 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

My vote is when some or all parts have been sold or incorporated into other tractors. I started off with my initial answer being "reduced to smallest parts" but the there is that full restoration thing. But then the sold/incorporated leaves said tractor in limbo while it is in the "smallest parts" but not yet sold or incorporated.
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:42 AM   post #3 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

When some or all of its parts are sold or incorporated into other tractors.

I think when they hit that point that if you got another parts tractor of the same model you would use the parts from your original to fix the newly acquired parts tractor. That's when its no longer a tractor.

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Old 07-21-2013, 02:02 AM   post #4 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

"When some or all of its parts are sold or incorporated into other tractors."

A tractor is an engine-powered machine designed to do mechanical work of some kind. (Examples : Cutting the grass, towing a cart, plowing a garden, or carrying us around all count as work.)

Machines break, and sometimes we need to fix them, or choose to restore them. Both of those involve breaking the tractor down into smaller parts, sometimes for extended periods of time - but within reason, they could be put back together and form a whole tractor again.

At some time, there comes a point where all the pieces aren't there anymore. Its one thing to borrow a carb, but when you borrow the whole engine, then swap out the tires, and steal the 3pt hitch since the tractor is just sitting around. . . .you start to get to the point where you don't reasonably have all the parts to put it back together - and then its not a tractor anymore.

Its still valuable - but its a frame and chassis, or an engine, or a transmission, or just a collection of parts at that point.


A tractor definately doesn't have to be restored to be a tractor. Sometimes the charm is the years of ware and tear that it shows.
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

The cold, heartless fact is ... no engine - no longer a tractor but a collection of tractor related spare parts.

I have several tractors that need some engine TLC, but they were running when I parked them, except for one.
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

Other.
When it no longer runs/drives under it's own power for multiple reasons and is no longer worth fixing.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:22 AM   post #7 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

It's the frame that makes it a tractor. You can replace the engine, transmission, axles, wheels, etc. with other models of those components, and it's still a tractor. The engine, once it's removed from the tractor, could become part of almost anything that can be powered by an engine. The transmission likewise, and wheels, etc. Even if all of the other parts have been removed and all that's left is the frame, it is still a tractor frame, and it just needs to have an engine (any engine) and a transmission (any transmission), and the rest of the parts, installed, and it will be a complete running tractor once again.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:27 AM   post #8 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

It's NOT a tractor any more when the grill emblem falls off...
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:51 AM   post #9 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

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It's NOT a tractor any more when the grill emblem falls off...
Harsh man... Harsh... BUT all mine have their emblems

What about the 140? Currently the grill is off the tractor but I have been working on it.... Going on 6 months
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:43 AM   post #10 of 18
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IMO, it's when the owner has deemed it for nothing but spare parts.


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Old 07-21-2013, 10:51 AM   post #11 of 18
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When it's modified so much that it cant do what it was designed to do anymore.
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

DOH! I forgot to include "OTHER" and "No grill emblem" in the poll! Whoops! AND I forgot to include

"When your wife says so!"

Interesting discussion tho! Look forward to some changes to my sig panel in the near future!
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

i say it over when you say" F*** it" and call the local scrap man. at that point youre just ready to move on.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:10 PM   post #14 of 18
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Default Re: So, when is a tractor NOT a tractor any more?

I'd argue the point of the grill emblem missing. I lost mine on my 855 after moving some ginormous chunks of pine trees I had cut down, I'm not talking little chunks. 3-4' long and 3' diameter chunks . I was stacking them in a pile (I guess that's what you'd call it) and had a big one roll off the pile ,I had the loader bucket up and couldn't drop it fast enough to stop it from crashing into the front end. I thought I was gonna find grill & hood damage ,because it hit with force. The only damage was the two plastic prongs that hold the emblem on broke. I'll Spend 19.95 for a new one but My 855 is still One Heck of a tough TRACTOR!!! (Can You say Grill guard in the near future?)
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I'd say use the 50% rule. When more than 50% of its' parts remain, it is rebuildable. When more than 50% of its' parts have been donated, it is a parts machine. Yet, many a parts machine has come back to life when an even lower level donor was found. A tractor, like a beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The true antiques are built up from nothing but rust.
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