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Old 04-16-2012, 08:08 PM   post #1 of 23
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Default Need input on john deere (316 or 318) vs (212or 214) for restoration

Hi All,

Looking for input/ lots of advice. This will be my first project what is a better choice to start with 300 series (316, 318) or 200 series (212, 214).

Which is easier to work on/restore.

I plan on working the machine pretty good after restore. And is there a list or information for all known attachments.

Thanks I look forward to all advice and inputs.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:26 PM   post #2 of 23
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Default Re: Need input on john deere (316 or 318) vs (212or 214) for restoration

Well you can see by my signature I've owned several, I like working on the 3xx series better than the 2xx series machines. Also once restored the 3xx machines will command a better price if you decide to sell. Here are the compatibility charts: http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=48290
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:27 PM   post #3 of 23
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300 series has more attachment options, are more 'user-friendly', (my opinion) and have hydro transmissions to go with hydraulic capabilities. (like hydro lift)

The 200 series are manual transmissions, usually manual lift, and have larger turning radius'. Parts and attachments for the 200 series are cheaper, however.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:39 PM   post #4 of 23
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What they said !!
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:57 PM   post #5 of 23
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Default Re: Need input on john deere (316 or 318) vs (212or 214) for restoration

3-- is bigger/ better money in the long run, but the 2-- 's are still great work machines and can give the satisfaction of a great garden tractor. i have a 214 and for the money could not have gone wrong. Depends on what your in it for.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:01 PM   post #6 of 23
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Default Re: Need input on john deere (316 or 318) vs (212or 214) for restoration

I have restored both a 214 and a 317. (threads in my sig)

Both have been a blast to restore, and both are workhorses.

I would have to agree that the 300 series is a more capable machine.

You would go wrong with either one.

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Old 04-17-2012, 01:13 AM   post #7 of 23
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318
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I restored (sort of) a 316 last year and it was fun, challenging, and frustrating! hahahaha
I wish I had bought a 318!
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:10 AM   post #8 of 23
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Hi All,

Looking for input/ lots of advice. This will be my first project what is a better choice to start with 300 series (316, 318) or 200 series (212, 214).

Which is easier to work on/restore.

I plan on working the machine pretty good after restore. And is there a list or information for all known attachments.

Thanks I look forward to all advice and inputs.


Fletch- Good looking Largemouth. Restoring older Jd`s is a lot of fun, and a great place to put all the extra money in your wallet. I just finished freshening up the 210 in my avatar.

Here`s the link to WFM`s model and attachment page.

http://www.weekendfreedommachines.com/info/
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:19 AM   post #9 of 23
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Default Re: Need input on john deere (316 or 318) vs (212or 214) for restoration

Hi Fletch! It's nice to welcome another member from Central MA. That is a big bass for the North East!

The 200 series are plentiful and tend to be much less expensive than the 300 series. Attachments are common and can be interchanged with square fender 110/112 machines. All are gear drive.

The 300 series are also common and front attachments are pretty compatible up and down the line. Rear attachments fall into two compatibility groups: pre-318 and 318 and later. Mower decks can be swapped but different hanger brackets and belts may be required. The hydraulics on the 300 series for drive and attachment articulation are a joy to use. 300 series machines tend to command higher prices than the 200 series, but can be worth it.

If you can only have one, go for the 300 series. Either machine will be capable of doing pretty much whatever you ask of it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:38 AM   post #10 of 23
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200's are cheaper, but a real pain to work on. Simple, but a pain.

300's are more satisfying to operate and have room to grow (hydraulics), but parts are more expensive as are the base machines.

Of course, there are the "in between" models that knid of fall through the cracks, like the 300, 312, 314, 316. Hydros, so nicer to operate than the 200's, but still manual steering like the 200's so they are still fairly simple. And they don't sell for as much as the "modern" 300's like the 318.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:48 AM   post #11 of 23
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318's are still selling in the $2500 range in nice shape. 316 onans are about $1000 less. 216's sell around $700 in nice shape.

If you are investing the time & money to restore one, bear in mind what they are worth, and that the labor and materials will be similar for any of them.

A friend once gave me good advice when I was looking for a first generation Mustang to restore. He said why restore a coupe when a fastback or convertible will cost the same to restore but be worth tons more after a slightly higher initial cost?
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:51 AM   post #12 of 23
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Oh, and I don't know what the 300, 314, 316, 317 Kohlers are selling for. Probably somewhere in the middle.
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Ok, one more bit of advice, the onans can be very expensive to rebuild compared to a kohler single. The power steering column is also expensive on a 318. Check the steering for leaks and the engine before buying a 318. No power steering on a 316 Onan.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:03 PM   post #14 of 23
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Thanks for all of the great input and replies from everyone so far, it is much appreciated.

This is what
I plan to do with the GT after restore.

1. Tilling - so use of a tractor mount tiller would be great

2. maybe a snow blower would be nice as well for those cold winter mornings

3. Front dethatcher, and a better aerator than the one i have

4. A blade for leveling and general yard work

5. A stretch would be to get a FEL so that would mean 318 for the hydro But, I have heard and read that turning radius for the 318 and the 214 are horrible.

6. I really like the JD collection system (MC519)!!!!!

Not getting younger but getter wiser!!!

I will want to eventually replace the current rider/mower but just too many great memories of dad with it so just keep rebuilding it and fixing it each year. But there are limited attachments for it being an off brand and all.

I do know of an old 300 for sale but it has not run in 2 + years and I think the price is a little steep but has a couple of attachments, like tiller and plow.

Oh yeah I updated the pick with my biggest Bass, 5lb 3 oz!!!! Almost fishing time now.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:15 PM   post #15 of 23
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I vote liquid cooled diesel. But I am bias. I have a 332 that I put the H3 kit on so I can run my two stage JD 47 snow blower and run a rear blade for cement cleanup independently. I also have a JD 44 FEL and a couple JD 30 hydro tillers. The hydro tiller lets you have the tines spin either direction depending on tilling condiontions which is the advantage to that and it can run from a rear PTO or your front mule drive like your mower depending on the one you find. While harder to find cheaper they run forever-sip fuel and you can sell restored for more. I am also added a 430/420 rear differntial in that give me the two speed and locking differential. You will find a FEL harder to come by just as a heads up if you want the JD one and it is hard to do much else with it on the tractor. They can have charging issues as well. The hydro is overbuilt on them and some of the parts are shared among the 318/330/322/420/430 including some attachements. You also have a nice 3 point that can go on the rear.
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