John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!! - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information
Register Home FAQ Garage MTF Gallery Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Store Chat Room

John Deere Forum John Deere Garden Tractor talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-24-2012, 01:02 PM   post #1 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Hi, I just bought a very used 165 hydro, I jumped some safety sw. to get it to turn over and got her running. Kawasaki engine. sounds good. It wont move though. belt is spinning the pump pulley, the fan blades are all broken off, the fluid was high. I drained the pump(allen plug beneath) got about 1 1/2 pints, yet the fluid level on top remained. Is the pump shot? can they be rebuilt? or a used one? Thanks in advance, Mike
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-24-2012, 01:16 PM   post #2 of 21
John@Reliable
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cranberry capital of the world
Posts: 4,069
MTF Member # 37003
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Are you able to push the tractor around easy? if so check the free wheeling lever, knob below the seat.
John@Reliable is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 03:26 PM   post #3 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

yeah, it pushes super easy, I moved that twisty knob thing, but it didn't change anything, perhaps it's not releasing all the way. There's no gap between the stem on the valve and the push lever. What's that thing for anyway?
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 04:33 PM   post #4 of 21
John@Reliable
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cranberry capital of the world
Posts: 4,069
MTF Member # 37003
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonneybear View Post
yeah, it pushes super easy, I moved that twisty knob thing, but it didn't change anything, perhaps it's not releasing all the way. There's no gap between the stem on the valve and the push lever. What's that thing for anyway?
That's for "free wheeling" ie: puts tranny in (N) so you can push it around easy, look under the tractor and move level to see if you can engage the shaft. Another long shot, with tractor running and in forward see if axle shaft is turning, could be a broken key between axle and wheel hub, but play with that free wheeling shaft first, Good Luck

P.S.
John@Reliable is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 05:44 PM   post #5 of 21
forkz
forkz
 
forkz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: edgecombe county nc
Posts: 3,146
MTF Member # 3391
Images: 33
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

my has a 165 the drive belt broke he removed the rear wheel to get to it got the belt on tractor would not move kept checking things and when he took the wheel off he lost a key replaced key and it moved fine had samething happen with a craftsman lt
__________________
country in her soul but she loves to rock n roll charlie daniels
forkz is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 06:15 PM   post #6 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

So, it could be a broken key in the axle? both sides or one? anyway to ck this to confirm this?
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 07:06 PM   post #7 of 21
John@Reliable
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cranberry capital of the world
Posts: 4,069
MTF Member # 37003
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonneybear View Post
So, it could be a broken key in the axle? both sides or one? anyway to ck this to confirm this?
read my last post for the quick answer
John@Reliable is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 09:03 PM   post #8 of 21
KATT
5000 Strong & Climbing
 
KATT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 7,437
MTF Member # 34056
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonneybear View Post
yeah, it pushes super easy, I moved that twisty knob thing, but it didn't change anything, perhaps it's not releasing all the way. There's no gap between the stem on the valve and the push lever. What's that thing for anyway?
If it didn't change anything, maybe the pin is stuck in ( in the freewheel position) the hydro can't be pushed easily if it is engaged.
Pin is out.Correct position for Hydro to work. IN is freewheel position.

Last edited by KATT; 03-24-2012 at 09:12 PM.
KATT is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 10:39 PM   post #9 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

ok, I'll ck it out tomorrow, I'm pretty sure the "freewheeling pin" is out, I moved the lever back and forth and saw it go in and out, I wish I has a manual to see the components on the axle/hub assemblies though. Thanks for all you help so far. It would be great if this hydro /pump wasn't toast and just a keyway broken.
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 10:50 PM   post #10 of 21
KATT
5000 Strong & Climbing
 
KATT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 7,437
MTF Member # 34056
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Don't know if this helps. ( key out) The key must be on both axles to move. but it will be a miracle if you can get both wheels off, but if you can't then the keys are probably there.


KATT is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2012, 11:09 PM   post #11 of 21
littletractorguy
The Mod from... Nowhere!
 
littletractorguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 8,388
MTF Member # 36339
Images: 6
Garage
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Hey Bonneybear,

Here's the parts diagram for the diff and rear axle on the 165, and the parts diagram for the rear wheels... Not as good as a manual, but possibly helpful... Its free, too, from the JD online parts catalog

Hope it helps you somewhat!


1 E50101 LOCK NUT 2 (SUB FOR M63277)
2 24H1224 WASHER 1 11/32" X 1" X 1/16"
3 M47318 LEVER 1
4 19H1791 CAP SCREW 2 1/4" X 1-1/4"
5 M41028 PIN 4
6 M83290 HOLDER 1
7 M47317 REINFORCEMENT 1
8 M84325 BRAKE DISK 1
9 M47316 PAD 2
10 M84323 WASHER 1
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
11 M41042 SPUR GEAR 1
12 M84321 SHAFT 1
13 M40378 WASHER 2
14 JD9807 NEEDLE BEARING 2
15 M84322 GASKET 1
16 AM38840 HOUSING 1
17 M84125 GASKET 1
18 15H623 PIPE PLUG 2 3/8"
19 AM38841 NEEDLE BEARING 1
20 M40375 SHAFT 1
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
21 M41044 SPUR GEAR 1
22 M40377 BUSHING 1
23 M40514 SNAP RING 2
24 M70160 BEVEL GEAR 2
25 M41747 CRADLE 1
26 JD9824 THRUST BEARING 4
27 12H302 LOCK WASHER 4 1/4"
28 19H2333 CAP SCREW 4 1/4" X 2-1/4", BRAKE
29 M84320 AXLE 1 374 MM (14-23/32") LONG
30 M41740 BUSHING 4
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
31 AM38845 HOUSING 1
32 M40676 SEAL 3
33 M41128 STRAP 2
34 M45981 RING GEAR 1
35 M70159 BEVEL GEAR 2
36 M40381 PIN 1
37 M41746 CRADLE 1
38 M70326 AXLE 1 333 MM (13-7/64") LONG
39 AM38844 HOUSING 1
40 AM38842 COVER 1
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
41 AM38843 NEEDLE BEARING 1
42 37H154 SCREW 10 1/4" X 1"
43 M83291 BRACKET 1
44 M80210 WASHER 2
45 AM102392 DIFFERENTIAL 1 (PEERLESS MODEL 1319-B)
46 19H1731 CAP SCREW 3 3/8" X 1"
47 12H310 LOCK WASHER 3 3/8"
48 26H26 SHAFT KEY 2 1/4" X 1-1/8"




1 AM30346 TIRE VALVE STEM 2 (INCLUDES CAP) (SUB AM30795)
2 W23122 SNAP RING 2 X (SUB FOR M40808)
M40514 SNAP RING 2 X X
3 AM101775 RIM 2 X
AM101778 RIM 2 X
AM101776 WHEEL 2 - 431847 X 8 X 7 (USES M81919 CAP)
AM104391 WHEEL 2 431848 - X 8 X 7 (USES M72752 CAP)
4 24H1448 WASHER 3 X 1-1/32" X 1-1/2" X 0.120", (L.H. ONLY)
M41361 WASHER 2 X X
5 M90065 CAP 2 X X
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. 130 160 165 REMARKS
M81919 CAP 2 - 431847 X 1.62" I.D. - USE WITH AM101776 WHEEL
M72752 CAP 2 431848 - X 1.50" I.D. - USE WITH AM104391 WHEEL
6 M41361 WASHER AR X X
7 24H1746 WASHER AR X X 25/32" X 1-1/8" X 0.120"
24H1441 WASHER AR X 1-1/64" X 1-1/2" X 0.048"
8 M42183 CAP 1 X X X CHROME (PACKAGE OF TWO)
.. M80369 TIRE 2 X X (18X8.5-8) GOODYEAR, SOF-TRAC
.. M91456 TIRE 2 X X (18X8.5-8) TURF GARD (CARLISLE)
.. M78506 TIRE 2 X X (18X8.5-8) GOODYEAR SOF-TRAC RS (ROUND SHOULDER)
.. M82397 TIRE 2 X (18X6.5-8) GOODYEAR SOF-TRAC
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. 130 160 165 REMARKS
.. M91455 TIRE 2 X (18X6.5-8) TURFGARD (CARLISLE)
.. M82713 INNERTUBE 2 R6.5 X 8 INDUSTRIAL COMBINATION FOR 18 X 8.5 X 8 AND 18 X 6.5 X 8 TIRES
littletractorguy is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-25-2012, 01:42 PM   post #12 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Wow, thanks Katt and Little tractor guy, All of you guys have been so very helpful, I cant wait to tear into this and get it figured out. I'll keep you all posted... mike
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-26-2012, 01:25 PM   post #13 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Ok, after jacking it up and rolling each side, I figured the Right side was the culprit, I pulled the R, rear wheel, and sure enough the key was missing, or dissolved?, I drained the rest of the oil in the hydro, I'll get a key tomorrow and install it. What kind of oil goes in the hydro fill under the seat? sae 30 motor oil??? Thanks everyone for there help, I'll keep you posted. Mike
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-26-2012, 07:12 PM   post #14 of 21
KATT
5000 Strong & Climbing
 
KATT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 7,437
MTF Member # 34056
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

I suspect since you could just take off the RR wheel, it had been off before and the PO forgot to put back the key. ??
KATT is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-26-2012, 10:30 PM   post #15 of 21
Bonneybear
MTF Junior Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 18
MTF Member # 71011
Default Re: John Deere 165 Hydro,,, wont move !!!

Really? do they get all frozen and seized on the axle? I guess I lucked out there. I just hope this sucker will move forward and reverse w/ this key..
Bonneybear is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:08 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
Compact Tractor Reviews Tractor Reviews Snowblowers Lawn Mower Forum
My Tractor Forum Snow Thrower Power Equipment Forum
Combine Forum Snowblower Forum ATV and UTV Reviews