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Old 03-20-2012, 07:34 PM   post #1 of 14
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Can hardener be added to the Case paint. I thought I read on one of the other threads that a hardener can be added, but it's not stated in the directions on the can. I can't find the other post, so I'm asking here. I figured as long as I have the fenders of for the transmission repair I should paint everything too. Or would I be better off using an automotive epoxy paint instead of the Iron Gard? Thanks. Bob
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:45 PM   post #2 of 14
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I have used the Valspar hardener in the Case IH iron guard paint. The local case dealer stocks it on the shelf beside the paint. The Hardener is Valspar RENEW REN3001 .
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:16 PM   post #3 of 14
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I would love to get some of that hardener, even though its an extremely dangerous product and is no longer sold in Canada.
I am very jealous as I want to paint as soon as it warms up. And without hardener the bugs will have a lot of time to stick.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:05 AM   post #4 of 14
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even though its an extremely dangerous product and is no longer sold in Canada
What makes this product extremely dangerous? What should someone know about it before using it?

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What makes this product extremely dangerous? What should someone know about it before using it?

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If you don't know you better do some reading on painting with isocyanates.
Deadly? Yes.
But if you have a forced air supply (hood) and a well ventilated booth you should be fine.
I believe that a 3M respirator and painting outdorrs may be safe. Maybe.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:55 AM   post #6 of 14
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Are there other options or are all paint hardeners similar in characteristics. I like the idea of using a hardener but don't have the knowledge or equipment to use something like you are describing?

If all hardeners share these same properties it sounds like a novice like myself would be better off sticking to an epoxy based paint, right?

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Old 03-22-2012, 05:48 PM   post #7 of 14
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I thought I'd link to our recent discussion on painting and ISO.

ricoman's thread

http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=225040
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:38 AM   post #8 of 14
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Well after reading the other thread I can tell you that I am in no danger of ever using those types of paints. I am not passing judgement on them beyond the fact that even the minimal precautions described exceed my skill and equipment levels. I can not imagine ever needing harder paint that bad on equipment I regularly plow the garden and pull logs through the woods with. Should the need arise I will seek out a professional paint shop equipped to do the job.

I appreciate the information supplied by everyone since I have seen occasional references to hardener paints in other threads that never addressed the hazards. It sounded like a good idea at the time.

To be clear, this issue applies to both pre-mixed paints with hardener in it and hardener additives you add yourself, right? Does this also apply to epoxy paints? If one wants to avoid the potentially hazardous hardener enhanced paints what is the best 'safe' paint for a novice to use on GT's?

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To be clear, this issue applies to both pre-mixed paints with hardener in it and hardener additives you add yourself, right? Does this also apply to epoxy paints? If one wants to avoid the potentially hazardous hardener enhanced paints what is the best 'safe' paint for a novice to use on GT's?JN
If you are referring to 2K spray cans such as are made by SprayMax, yes, they have ISO in them. You would run into those at an auto spray shop supplier such as these fine fellas. http://www.thecarpaintstore.net/index.html

Epoxy should be dealt with rather carefully too, but there one is dealing more with nasty particulates and VOC's, not ISO.

I have sprayed a few tractors ( and countless other things) with Rustoleum and a spray gun. Sheen, shine, and durability are just fine , it just takes a while to cure up real hard.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:37 AM   post #10 of 14
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I have sprayed a few tractors ( and countless other things) with Rustoleum and a spray gun. Sheen, shine, and durability are just fine , it just takes a while to cure up real hard.
Given the potential issues with some of these 'exotic' paints yours sounds like a sensible approach for me. The curing process can be shortened by warming the painted surfaces with a heat lamp if I am not mistaken.

Thanks to everyone for the information!

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I am also going without hardener.
As my wife said the other night. "You know, there is probably a good reason they banned selling it to guys like you".
Meaning guys like me who are not equipped with the PPE or booth and are not certified.
They saved me from myself, again.
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Yep. In my case it is highly doubtful that I can afford to loose any more of my remaining 23 brain cells.

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Thanks for all the replies. Very informative. I'll stick to the straight Iron Gard. I painted the wheels and rims of my 430 Case with Iron Gard and it still looks good. It'll be OK for the 446. Bob
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Sounds like a plan.
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