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Old 01-06-2012, 10:22 AM   post #1 of 19
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I am hoping that someone can help me with starter problem. My gravely rider has a onan twin cylinder ,but the only# I can find is stamped on the manifold ( 170-1542) indicates it came off of a onan's generator.Have tried different starters bought off of E-bay but cannot match it. Have tried different spaces in different positions,but nothing seems to work. Any help in identifying it would be a lot of help,
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:14 AM   post #2 of 19
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Dan,

Some pictures would help.

My guess based on the number is that it is a CCKA

Take a look here and see if anything matches.


http://www.psep.biz/store/onan_starter_motors.htm

Also take a look at this and see if it helps.

http://rich.homeunix.com:443/gravely...l_Spec_A-J.pdf
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:16 AM   post #3 of 19
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Can you post any photos?
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:54 AM   post #4 of 19
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Check out this item on eBay. I think AJ at oldforgepower had that motor on one or more machines he is parting out and might have the starter you need.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gravely-816-...-/220908569287
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:30 PM   post #5 of 19
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based on your link I think I might i.d. the right starter.I put on some pictures.I am still wondering if it is a starter problem or flywheel, but if I can get the correct starter that will tell me a lot-- thanks for the help
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:32 PM   post #6 of 19
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p.s The altrnator is a retrofit
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:54 PM   post #7 of 19
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That looks like a CCKA

Based on the pictures that starter is a 191-1052

Both dbelectric and pats has the starter.

http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-2867-n...8-smt0153.aspx


http://www.psep.biz/store/onan_starter_motors.htm
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:50 PM   post #8 of 19
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dan, richard and club.
the CCK family of engines can be a nightmare,
when it comes to starting and charging systems
most of the starters were a two bolt style,
and used an adapter plate.
some later were a three bolt starter with no adapter.
i currently have a two bolt, with the adapter in stock.
dan,
if you walk up to the rear of your tractor., the engine tag should be on the left rear of your engine cowl.
this will tell us a lot.
thank you. boomer (the used onan engine parts guy)
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Old 01-07-2012, 04:01 AM   post #9 of 19
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The ring gear on the flywheel should be easy to inspect. If I recall correctly there will be two spots where there is the most wear.

If I recall correctly, the CCKA starters are somewhat of a loose fit and have to be moved around an the mounting bolts to get the pinion gear to engage the ring gear correctly. I believe this is mentioned in the service manual.

CCKA charging systems are no problem for me. If the regulator is bad. I just install a generic Kohler remotely. If the stator is bad, I either replace it or rewind the bad pole(s).

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                              8183T (Onan B48)
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:01 AM   post #10 of 19
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thanks for the reply's . Boomer I am not sure about the adapter plate for starter. maybe I am missing something.Mine is a 2 bolt but no adapter
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:48 AM   post #11 of 19
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What are the symptoms that you are experiencing?
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        818T (Onan 18hp B48)       8163T - was 8123 (Onan CCKA) 
                              8183T (Onan B48)
   5665 w/brakes        5665        5660        Pro-8         Pro-16 w/brakes

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Old 01-07-2012, 11:15 AM   post #12 of 19
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original stated grinding noise when engaging and finally nothing.I bought a replacement starter from e-bay and though it also was grinding .it did turn and eventually start, but after a few starts it also burnt out. It seems not to mesh with the flywheel, and I have tried different spaces and different positions but it won't engage correctly. I have ordered a new one ( 191-1052 } and hope that this is the correct one. If not I may have look at the flywheel a little closer,though it looks to be ok. Thanks -- Dan
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:21 PM   post #13 of 19
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If I recall correctly the starter can be shifted around a little due to the oversize mounting bolt holes. Finding the correct position requires a little fiddling. It doesn't take much to get the starter into a bind. If there a mounting plate that bolts to the engine, I would examine that closely for evidence that it had been removed/moved at some point in time in the past.

Those starters are sort of like the old two bolt GM starters. A replacement GM starter usually came with shims and instructions.
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                              8183T (Onan B48)
   5665 w/brakes        5665        5660        Pro-8         Pro-16 w/brakes

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Old 01-07-2012, 04:03 PM   post #14 of 19
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i'm not giving up. I will let you know how the new starter works out when I get it and install it. Thanks for the tips
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:35 PM   post #15 of 19
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The ring gear on the flywheel should be easy to inspect. If I recall correctly there will be two spots where there is the most wear.

If I recall correctly, the CCKA starters are somewhat of a loose fit and have to be moved around an the mounting bolts to get the pinion gear to engage the ring gear correctly. I believe this is mentioned in the service manual.

CCKA charging systems are no problem for me. If the regulator is bad. I just install a generic Kohler remotely. If the stator is bad, I either replace it or rewind the bad pole(s).

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Working on a CCKA right now and looking for a remote regulator to use. Any pictures of the styles you have used and suggestions? Do the stators produce enough current to make 20A or is a 15A regulator enough to utilize all that is available. I'm sure 15A is enough for what a Gravely pulls with lights and to charge but if you are buying new, and the stator will make 20A...
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