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Old 11-03-2011, 11:08 PM   #1
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Default Hydro Trans for pulling?

I found a JD 111 for $50 locally that has a lot of potential but has a hydrostatic trans. Has anyone used a hydro for pulling or would you be better off using a gearcase? Also can you upgrade a hydrostatic or mess with it any? Thanks
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:34 PM   #2
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Nobody pulls with hydrostats in my area. I have seen on the internet where some guys in New York were pulling with cub hydros. They had said that you had to know how to work the hydro lever as you are going down the track. Good luck to you, pulling is a lot of fun.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:36 PM   #3
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I Pull a older Ford 145 hydro but the rear has a hi and low that works good.but it takes more motor to make them work. Jake
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:00 PM   #4
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Nice puller big jake! Do you have built pics? Did it come factory with shaft drive or belt?
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:07 PM   #5
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Nice puller big jake! Do you have built pics? Did it come factory with shaft drive or belt?
Larrybl here, I can show the drive The LGT 145 has with pictures. It is a shaft drive to the Eaton Hydro Pump.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:18 PM   #6
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Thanks for the help Larry. I didnt take any build pic. Jake
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:13 PM   #7
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I like the rims on Poppa Smurf.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:21 PM   #8
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Rule of thumb for Cub Cadets: It takes 25% of the engines power just to turn the hydro. therefore you put yourself way down on power. I have seen limited success with C.C.s with bigger motors with hydros, but you have to be real good with the control handle.
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A quick question I am thinking of getting in the smaller side of pullin my family farm had a smoker series puller untill it got to expensive. anyhow I have an ingersoll 3018 with the onan engine and hydraulic drive I know it is strong enough but what about the hydro is there rules for that type of tranny and can you modify the pumps to be more efficient for the application.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:51 PM   #10
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still lookin for any comments on my ingersoll idea, if any one care to chime in
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Hydraulic drives are even less efficient at transmitting power than hydrostatic drives. A good hydro is about 80% efficient, but a hydraulic drive with a gear pump and motor has to be in top shape to make 65% efficiency.

You can only increase the relief setting or turn the pump faster to get more power out. You have to have even more power from the engine to do that, though.
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Hydraulic drives are even less efficient at transmitting power than hydrostatic drives. A good hydro is about 80% efficient, but a hydraulic drive with a gear pump and motor has to be in top shape to make 65% efficiency.

You can only increase the relief setting or turn the pump faster to get more power out. You have to have even more power from the engine to do that, though.
Lets see if I am understaning this. We have two tractors one is a JD 425 and the other is a case 4020. Because the JD has a hydrostatic drive it can pull or push more than a case with hydraulic drive if both tractors are the same in every other way.
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Lets see if I am understaning this. We have two tractors one is a JD 425 and the other is a case 4020. Because the JD has a hydrostatic drive it can pull or push more than a case with hydraulic drive if both tractors are the same in every other way.
Bob stated that a good hydrostatic pump is 80% efficient and a hydraulic drive with a gear pump is 65% efficient. If both tractors are the same in every other way as you stated (tire diameter, gearing, horsepower, rpms etc), one could expect to have more available power to the drive wheels with the hydrostatic driven tractor, hence, it will do more work.

You did mean "the same in every other way" didn't you?
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Bob stated that a good hydrostatic pump is 80% efficient and a hydraulic drive with a gear pump is 65% efficient. If both tractors are the same in every other way as you stated (tire diameter, gearing, horsepower, rpms etc), one could expect to have more available power to the drive wheels with the hydrostatic driven tractor, hence, it will do more work.

You did mean "the same in every other way" didn't you?
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:21 PM   #15
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Find a gear drive cub...u can buy the hydro tractors to rob parts from...Hydros might work good once or twice...but EVENTUALLY they burn up or wear out....If ur gonna spend the money..might as well build something to somewhat last..
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