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Old 07-19-2011, 12:03 PM   post #1 of 32
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Default MA 210 refurb and questions

I finally got a MA 210 snow blower a couple of months ago and I'm currently refurbing it. I know, where are the pictures?, they're coming soon I promise. It's been slow going because not only do I have a full time job I also have to manage my alpaca farm as well. I have no idea how old the snow blower is but the IPL for '68/'69 closely matches my setup. I have a spline shaft between the reels and the fan and not the double U-joint setup.
The first question I have is this..
The IPL references a friction disk (pc-5) on the inside or gearbox side of the reels. Mine has a thin hardened conical washer, is this correct or is this supposed to be like a clutch disk? It seems factory to me because I could see where the outter edge of the washers rested against the reels. I can try to get a picture of it after work if needed.
I do have some of the parts cleaned up and in primer, the main housing is at my BIL's for some welding but that's about as far as I've gotten.
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1983 5200 - Current workhorse
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MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:45 PM   post #2 of 32
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The two 210's that I've been into had steel plates which fit onto flats on the hollow shaft coming out of the gearbox. Those plates bear on friction material on the inside of each reel. That acts as a clutch.

Gravely is well known for fiddling with designs, though, so it's not out of the question for yours to be different.
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:24 PM   post #3 of 32
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I'll pull one side apart this afternoon and take pictures. I pulled both sides apart after reading a thread saying the hex part of the shaft was badly beat up and wanted to know what condition mine was in. They looked great. I do remember seeing the plates you mentioned on mine too but also the washers. I say washers for a lack of a better name. I put it back together to keep from losing parts. I also don't remember the shafts being hollow. Pictures tomorrow.
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1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:22 PM   post #4 of 32
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Here is some of what is done so far. Sorry I didn't get any before disassembly pictures but I wanted to take off the rear frame piece in order to grind off a couple of pieces that were added for whatever reason and the blower just sort of fell in half. So I figured what the hey, keep going.
The first one shows before and three after paint/rust removal and the rust through from sitting.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
1972 816
1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long

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Old 07-19-2011, 04:32 PM   post #5 of 32
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Here is the frame. I cut off the whatsits but still need to strip the paint and rust. I did the blower housing with a wire wheel on a 4 inch angle grinder but the wife bought me a sand blast cabinet for my birthday and that's finally set up and ready to use. The cabinet isn't real big so I couldn't do the housing any way but it will handle pretty much everything else. Sorry I can only post 4 pictures per post, that's why so many. But hey! pictures!
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
1972 816
1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long

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Old 07-19-2011, 04:53 PM   post #6 of 32
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Next is the casters and the fan. The casters were rusted up pretty solid and wouldn't move at all, probably from sitting in the dirt judging by the bottom of the blower housing. I brought those into work in case I needed to use the gas axe with a rose bud tip but I wanted to try some Kroil on it first. The boss swears by this stuff and now so do I. I used every kind of penetrating oil I had at home, letting it sit for a day or so and nothing worked. The kroil how ever worked after 30 minutes of sitting and the amount I used was so absurdly small that I doubted it would do the job. Less than a teaspoon for both casters. You can see what this stuff did to the rust. The fan was a straight forward wire wheel and primer. BTW the fresh paint you see is red primer not the top coat.
More tomorrow.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
1972 816
1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long

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Old 07-19-2011, 05:52 PM   post #7 of 32
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The first one shows before and three after paint/rust removal and the rust through from sitting.
You got lucky with only a few rust holes. It's NOTHING like the 210 I brought home for parts a couple weeks ago.....

She was sittin' for a loooong time.

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BTW if you haven't already seen it, http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=95640 is the link to the thread I did about my 210 cleanup. Right in the beginning there's a pic of the clutch disks and the end of the reel where the friction material is.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:25 AM   post #9 of 32
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Jake,
That thing looks like it was used to blow sand dunes at the beach and stored at the high tide mark.
Let me know if you want to part with the skids and one of the reel bearings. I have a gravel driveway and I don't think the casters are going to work too well.

Jrd,
Thanks for the link to your thread. I probably saw it before but I have it bookmarked now for reference. I brought my reel assembly to work with me and when I took the reels off the hex shaft and looked closer I found the clutch portion. There was so much fine rust on the ends that it hid the seam for the washer next to the clutch. A little Kroil, ten minutes of time and they popped right off. Live and learn. The clutch pad itself is pretty stuck to the reel, I'm not sure if I can get them off in one piece. Are the slip clutches supposed to be dry or soaked in oil like the internal clutches?
Anyone else want to post links they know of please feel free to do so. I tried a search and ended up with a bunch of useless to me threads.
Also if anyone want to hitch a ride on this thread about their own snow blower then feel free to do so, that way we can all learn something.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
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1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long

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Old 07-20-2011, 03:26 PM   post #10 of 32
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The slip clutches are always dry!! If it is an older unit they are made from Asbestos which are the Best ones and should outlast you if properly adjusted. The new ones from ariens are not asbestos and are prone to wear quick. Use a scribe and follow it around the disks and it should pop right out!! Have rebuilt many are they are a piece of cake once you do one. Any ? Contact me. C.V.
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Thanks C.V. will do.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
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1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
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Jake,
That thing looks like it was used to blow sand dunes at the beach and stored at the high tide mark.
Let me know if you want to part with the skids and one of the reel bearings. I have a gravel driveway and I don't think the casters are going to work too well.

Don,
It was too bad to see it in this condition. While taking it apart and looking closely over it, didn't seem like it was used much either. Teeth and small disks in the slip-clutch were still in good condition and didn't look like they were raked a lot. Small stuff like that. The guy I bought it from said that they were on their back side for a long time on the dirt floor of a barn. There was another 210 and dog-eater like this that he had too.

Unfortunately I need the skids for my MA210 that I'll be using this winter. If I'm not mistakin' I think there is only one good bearing that spins the other one is seized up (not too sure about the good one though). I still have all the other parts minus the auger and impeller housings so if you need anything, just let me know.
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C.V.,
Your trick worked like a charm, but you knew it would. I got both clutches removed from the reels this morning. They soaked up some of the penetrating oil so I'll have to hit them with brake cleaner. Thank you for the tip.

Jake,
Yea I figured you would keep the skids, but if you don't ask....
I do need to find a replacement bearing for the end of the reel. The cast iron housing on mine broke at the thin area when I was trying to remove it. I can even use the locked up one provided the bearing isn't rusted solid to the housing and the housing is good. The bearing itself should rotate within the cast housing, roll it 90 degrees to the housing, line up the bearing with the ear bolt holes and it slides right out. I also need the pc 27 washer that is used to center the pc.26 washer to the outside end of the reel. See picture below if anyone has an extra not doing any thing.
Let me know if we can work something out.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
1972 816
1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long


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Old 09-15-2011, 12:18 PM   post #14 of 32
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Does anyone have the oring sizes for the auger gearbox? They show up as part #'s 10, 9669pl and 11, 9668pl on the ipl but there is no size. Mine are so crushed I can't get a good size from them. Some of you have rebuilt these recently and I'm hoping you'll have the answer. I just got the main body back from being welded up so pretty soon I can pick this thread back up.
Thanks gents.
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1963 L8 - Under reconstruction M 96599, M# G-5451
1972 816
1973 C - Parts tractor S/N 88418
1973 C8 - Current workhorse
1983 5200 - Current workhorse
30" Quick hitch mower
30" 106 mower
MA-210
48" plow blade
Restored Estate Sulky
Restored Standard Sulky
Lawn Roller
Pull behind dump cart
Chain guard for the 30" mower
Rotary plow
Wish list 3/4's of a mile long

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Wish i could help on the o-ring size but on all my rebuilds i was lucky enough to reuse the o-rings and in years past i was able to get new ones from a dealer who had NOS ones. Do the best you can salvageing the o-rings and any good Hydraulic/hose/o-ring shop should be able to help you. Even with new ones though, my gear boxes still managed to leak a little 90w which at least told me i had 90w in the gearbox LOL!! Its a shame you are going through all the effort as i have a few of these blowers in great shape that are available for a reasonable rate right across from you in CT. C.V. P.S try Richards for the O-rings also.
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