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Old 04-09-2011, 12:12 AM   post #1 of 20
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just bought an older john deere 212 that is in really nice shape but the guy says i need points an condensor for it. he tells me i have to remove the flywheel to do it. i called the john deere dealer today and they did not recognize the serial number. the number on the motor matched up to a 1976 model but this thing does not look like a 76. i was just wondering about changing the points because i have read alot on here that you can do it without touching the flywheel.....thank you
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:22 AM   post #2 of 20
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The original engine on a 212 was a Kohler K301. Points/condenser accessible on the outside. But, let's be sure we're dealing with the original equipment. Post pics of the engine and the ID tags, engine and tractor.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:27 AM   post #3 of 20
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thanks for the reply so fast..i will first thing in the morning....the condensor has wire hanging off it....does this go to the coil? because i have charged the battery and nothing is turning over
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:44 AM   post #4 of 20
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First we need to establish what kind of engine you have. The condenser wiring on a Kohler should have two wires IIRC; a long one that goes to the coil and a short one that goes to the points. On my 214 and that correct Kohler for a 212 the points are located under a cover on the front of the engine that is just below and beside the muffler. The condenser sits right next to it and is bolted to the engine block. The only access to the flywheel that is required is removal of a nickel-sized plug on the blower housing so you can see the timing marks on the flywheel and I've been able to set points without doing it so there is no need to start pulling the motor. Once we figure out what you have we can get farther down the road of changing and setting points. And as an aside, if the motor is not "turning over" meaning the starter motor is not engaging you have a separate problem as the points and condenser have no influence in starter operation.
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Old 04-09-2011, 11:42 AM   post #5 of 20
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i hope these help thank you
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:12 PM   post #6 of 20
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Yes and no. You have the original engine but I don't know what the heck the condenser is doing over there. Have you checked the front of the motor for the points cover? I didn't expect that the 212 was that much different from my 214. There's a few 212 owners who should chime in soon.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:17 PM   post #7 of 20
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Stared at the pic a little longer. If the other condenser wire goes to the points then the wire in your pic should go to the ground side of the coil.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:33 PM   post #8 of 20
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That puc you showed is the same setup as my 214. That wire there should go to the - side of the coil
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:42 PM   post #9 of 20
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this cover at the front [left] is that the points cover then? i got the battery fully charged. does this condensor wire need to be on the coil to start? thanks again guys!
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:07 PM   post #10 of 20
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Yup - that looks like the points cover at the base of the block right in between the muffler and air cleaner in your pic. The cover is held on with two screws and the bottom one is a to get to. To adjust the gap you'll want to come at it from the right side of the tractor. When you loosen the setscrew on the point you can insert a flathead screwdriver into the notch on the points to control the gap. It can be a three handed job after a while but you can get there. Correct gap is .020.
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:32 PM   post #11 of 20
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I'll be home in a few hours and will take some pics of mine.

As a side note, I've owned my 212 for 20 years this year. It was used when we got it with our house. I've NEVER changed or even set the points. But this year is the magic year....gonna change 'em.
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:44 PM   post #12 of 20
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I took some pics but the ones already posted are correct.

Condensor just above coil and points and it's cover right in the front left...facing the grill.
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:58 PM   post #13 of 20
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Points cover.


Condensor.


The condensor lead goes to neg. terminal on the coil. Herd is right, the bottom screw is a $#@%&!! to get back in. I tape the screw to a long blade screwdriver, and slip it in between the frame and the engine mount plate.
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Old 04-10-2011, 03:53 PM   post #14 of 20
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thanks alot guys i appreciate all the help.the points are something i have never changed or ajusted before but understand what they do. i will get in there later and get that cover off and see if i can figure it out. again thank you and i love this site.....
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Old 04-16-2011, 03:33 PM   post #15 of 20
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hey guys its me again....just got back to working on the tractor. i replaced the points and adjusted the gap and then changed the condensor. when i turn over the tractor i can see spark at the points but no spark on my spark plug.....can this be true? and is there an easy way to test the coil? thanks in advance!!!
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