windshield washer fluid for filled tires

[jerseymark]

Does windshield washer fluid cause rusting or ruin the rim or tire when use to fill tires?

[Luv2Q]

Originally Posted by jerseymark

Does windshield washer fluid cause rusting or ruin the rim or tire when use to fill tires?

No personal experience here using WWF but doing a "Google Custom Search" of MTF seems to indicate .. not much. Some folks thought it inhibited rust, others thought it didn't. The consensus seems to be that Rimguard (derivative of beet juice which is non-corrosive and is also heavier than water) is best followed by RV antifreeze (propylene glycol rather than the toxic ethylene glycol used in automotive antifreeze).

I'll be adding fluid to my tires one of these days and will likely use the RV A/F. Nearest place I can get Rimguard is in the Dallas area, about 150 mi away.

[TUDOR]

Even air will rust the inside of a rim, if the paint job is substandard.

The most caustic fluid for tire loading is calcium. I can attest to the rusting out of rims in 12 - 14 years using this medium, ...... twice, ........ on the same tractor. Even straight water won't match that destruction. Don't worry about it.

[PA PLOW DAY]

i've used windshield washer fluid, no problems, my good friend had his newest tractor filled with that rimguard stuff that was mentioned and the dealer swears by it.

[Wedgie]

The most common tire fluid around my area is the chloride solution and there are also a lot of rusted-out rims as well. When I bought a new tractor several years ago I wanted to stay away from the salt so I asked what could be used as an alternative. They acted like there wasn't anything they could really think of.

I asked if RV antifreeze could be used. They guessed it could be but they weren't too thrilled about it. Still, I got some and had it installed. That was about 8 years ago and I have not had any problems at all. I would highly recommend it. I have heard some good things about RimGuard but it seems to be hard to come by in my area of Illinois.


George

[silver hair deere]

Heres a question , the only thing holding air in my tires is plugs and slime , is filling them out ? or do i need tubes .

[Hugh-SS/16]

I put new tires on my SS/16 and loaded them with out tubes cause the rims and tires are mint.

You can load tubes, but you get less weight and it takes longer.

WWF is non corrosive, and usually will say so on the label

[wally2q]

I wanted to stay away from the salt so I asked what could be used as an alternative. They acted like there wasn't anything they could really think of.


The next best thing is sugar. Highly soluble in water (especially when the water is warmed up), and then causes the water solution to be heavier... like rimguard.... and totally not-corrosive.... AND totally not toxic.... but it may attract ants (and kids) if spilled out of your tire.

you can dissolve just over 200g of sugar in 100ml (100g) of water at 20 deg C.
Doing that, you can make sugar-water pretty thick... like syrup... and it's heavy as heck...

[x595]

Originally Posted by wally2q

The next best thing is sugar. Highly soluble in water (especially when the water is warmed up), and then causes the water solution to be heavier... like rimguard.... and totally not-corrosive.... AND totally not toxic.... but it may attract ants (and kids) if spilled out of your tire.

you can dissolve just over 200g of sugar in 100ml (100g) of water at 20 deg C.
Doing that, you can make sugar-water pretty thick... like syrup... and it's heavy as heck...

wally2q , the Sugar Solution you speak of might be Heavy , but I would think it will Freeze without an additive added ...

Later,x595

[Upper5Percent]

Originally Posted by x595

wally2q , the Sugar Solution you speak of might be Heavy , but I would think it will Freeze without an additive added ...

Later,x595

Sugar will also precipitate out of solution...leaving just water to freeze if the temperature is low enough...

Take a glass of water, add sugar stir, then come back in a couple of hours...then put that glass in the freezer for night...

[wally2q]

Yes - it may precipitate - hence the right (maximum) mixture is required.... also adding alcohol will lower the freezing point.... in other words - put sugar into plumbing antifreeze.

Separately, sugar/water solution has a lower freezing point than pure water in the first place (chemistry)....

[GT_80]

WWS is the cheapest easiest solution to use. And, I have said this before, and stand by it, it may be toxic wheras RV antifreeze is not, however, antifreeze does not evaporate- if you spill wws, it evaporates because it is alcohol. And it gets all over the ground every time you wash your windows on your car anyway. My local supermarket sells it for $1.50 a gallon- if you can find me something that is THAT cheap, and environmentally friendly, I will use it. Otherwise, WWS all the way!

[TUDOR]

I dunno, I tend to buy weight for loading my tractor tires, not volume. I loaded my tires with as much weight as others with WWF or RV antifreeze PLUS 50 lb. wheel weights. The calcium in each of my 26x12-12 weighed 160 lb. RimGuard is almost as heavy.

Loaded tire plus 40 lb. MF split wheel weights plus 15 lb. 2 link chains equals 253 lb. per tire, or 506 lb that the axle doesn't see.

Years ago, the 23x8.5-12 tires on my MF12 carried 65 lb. of calcium each, and the 16x8.5-8's on my Gilson carried 25 lb. each.

I have no idea how much volume, only the weight matters for traction.

[walterboatwright]

Any liquid weight is great. But if you puncture a tire it will most likely ruin it.Liquid is great but the fabric content in most round rubber cant contain the stress with a small hole.Myself I would stay away from the calcium chloride . The same stuff used to melt ice and make pickles. Try an alcohol baised additive.or maybe a vegtable oil weight .its heavier than water and its bio-degradable.

[TUDOR]

Originally Posted by walterboatwright

Any liquid weight is great. But if you puncture a tire it will most likely ruin it.Liquid is great but the fabric content in most round rubber cant contain the stress with a small hole.Myself I would stay away from the calcium chloride . The same stuff used to melt ice and make pickles. Try an alcohol baised additive.or maybe a vegtable oil weight .its heavier than water and its bio-degradable.

Absolutely correct! Unfortunately, RimGuard is a fairly recent product and was not available to me when I loaded my tires 15 years ago. The rims are now totally corroded from the calcium, for the second time in 29 years. That's why I recommend the beet juice.

My new rims will be loaded with the Canadian equivalent of RimGuard, which is also biodegradable and much heavier than the antifreezes. Vegetable oil tends to congeal into a solid lump at subfreezing temps making for a very rough ride, and like the antifreezes, is also lighter than straight water. Ask your wife as she's doing dishes.

Punctures are a normal fact of life with any pneumatic tire equipped vehicle, especially if you take it off road. I've had more punctures in my truck tires than my tractor tires in the last 35 years, and the trucks stayed on the road.