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Old 01-08-2011, 09:06 PM   post #1 of 15
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Help How hard will it be to fix the sloppy steering on my 140?

My 1971 140H3 has about 180* of play in the wheel. It can be exciting when plowing! I'd like to fix it so, I need to know what is likely to be wrong, what to look for, where to look for it, and what am I in for as far as fixing it. Thanks for your thoughts, guidance and help in advance!
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Default Re: How hard will it be to fix the sloppy steering on my 140?

You can start by carefully jiggling the steering wheel right and left while watching each component of your steering system for slop. Manual steering columns have an adjustment for play if you have one of those. Tie rod ends usually wear out first.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:16 PM   post #3 of 15
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ggsteve, those steeing units are like the ones used in the 110 and 212. Working on one in the tractor is a pain. I recommend pulling it out (not fun) to work on it or replace it. Below is the diagram and you can see that there aren't any "gears" you can work on. I just replaced the one in my 110 and 212 with units I bought off ebay. I suppose they can be fixed, but I'd bet you'd have more money into a repair than a replacement!

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Old 01-08-2011, 09:20 PM   post #4 of 15
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It is easy or hard to fix depending on whether the bolt is worn or not, to tighten the steering you need to pull out the battery box and you will see the steering box, on the left side (from the seat) you will see a bolt with a slot on the end and a nut on it against the box, if you loosen the nut and adjust the screw in (I think) then tighten the nut you should be able to find a medium between loose and hard to steer.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:24 PM   post #5 of 15
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Default Re: How hard will it be to fix the sloppy steering on my 140?

I agree they are a pain. Do they have the threaded adjusting plug on the bottom? Might be able to turn it in to take up some of the slop.
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Ah, steerring box! Mak e adjustments a quarter turn at a time and test it out. Thats how we adjusted them in our trucks back in the day.
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Part 14 is the bolt that tmaynard is talking about. You can sometimes take up the slop by tightening # 19 as is pushes up on the lower bushing which should mesh the internals a bit tighter. Don't forget to grease it well when done! Try that before you opt to get a replacement. With the manual steeing I always kept a spare steering column around! They went out normally when snowblowing in deep snow, as far from the house as possible!
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Its been quite a while, but can't you add preload to 19? Doesn't 19 load a race 18 to a ball bearing 16? I know I've done one of these on a JD 100.
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Default Re: How hard will it be to fix the sloppy steering on my 140?

Ok two questions: Is nut #19 something I can get at from beneath the tractor? I have the cab on so if I'm pulling the battery tray and going for the steering box I have to take the cab off. I know I can check the tie rods under there anyway. I'd just rather not pull the cab off until spring if I can help it.

Question 2: What does it mean to "preload" part #19? Thanks again for the help!
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:46 PM   post #10 of 15
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On my 317 I had about the same amount of slop the steering box was fine. I just had to rebushing everything from the box to the front axel.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:52 PM   post #11 of 15
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Default Re: How hard will it be to fix the sloppy steering on my 140?

There is also a triangle shaped plate under the engine, that two tie rods and the steering drag link hook to.It has a tapered nut holding it in place ,and if it is loose will give you a lot of slop in the steering.
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# 19 can be reached from under the tractor. Mine had a cotter key through the nut to hold it set where it was. I believe when they say preload they are referring to tightening it till it is has pressure back on the wrench (preload) then backing off slightly. Wish I still had my 110 or 212 manual! If I'm wrong on that someone with a manual correct it!
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# 19 can be reached from under the tractor. Mine had a cotter key through the nut to hold it set where it was. I believe when they say preload they are referring to tightening it till it is has pressure back on the wrench (preload) then backing off slightly. Wish I still had my 110 or 212 manual! If I'm wrong on that someone with a manual correct it!
You are on the right track. I was able to remove a remarkable amount of steering slop from a JD 100 by adding preload to the jam screw at the bottom of the column, which would be were 19 is on the drawing. But, too much preload can cause damage to the mechanism.
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There is also a triangle shaped plate under the engine, that two tie rods and the steering drag link hook to.It has a tapered nut holding it in place ,and if it is loose will give you a lot of slop in the steering.
that was the problem with my 112. i had a lot of play, i think it was almost a full turn. the triangle plate was about as loose as it could get. i tightened it up and replaced all 6 tie rod ends. steers great now!

there is a lock plate (?) that holds that tapered nut in place, my lock plate was bent and the nut was able to turn inside it. if you tighten it, tighten until the steering is tight, not the nut.
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Old 01-09-2011, 12:08 AM   post #15 of 15
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I did a thread on my 317 when I rebuilt the steering gear. It is called 317 Cleanup and Repair. I guess it is still on here if you do a search. Adam
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