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Old 05-31-2010, 06:47 PM   post #1 of 16
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Default 1964 Ford 4000 steering

My 64 4000 (old style 4 cylinder gas) has power steering that does not work. There is also a lot of play in the steering wheel. The steering is loose enough that it looks like a drunken sailor is pulling my finish mower (no offense to any drunken sailors out there).

If the combined problems of steering gear and power steering pump turn out to be exceptionally expensive is it simple enough to just buy and install a manual steering gear and housing. Will it fit up to the drag links? Most of my mowing is straight line and power steering is nice, but not necessary.

The power steering on the tractor is the type that has a power cylinder attached to each drag link.

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A manual unit will bolt up just fine.
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:50 PM   post #3 of 16
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Thanks John,
From what info I pieced together out of the manual I thought it would probably work, but the list of things I've thought would work over the years, that didn't, is pretty long.

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Thanks John,
From what info I pieced together out of the manual I thought it would probably work, but the list of things I've thought would work over the years, that didn't, is pretty long.

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considering it's only power assist steering.. the box you have now will work fine with or without the hyds.. just have to get it tight.

wheels thet rise and fall mean thrust bearings are out.

when you turn the wheel if there is for/aft movement of the steering sectors before they start to rotate, then the sector bushings are loose.. this usually means seals are loose too.. and she's out of lube.

I've removed the leftovers of PS from a 951 and ran her as manual with -0- issues.
the rc's have a slightly different box than the utility models.. but the concept is the same

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Old 06-01-2010, 11:05 PM   post #5 of 16
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Thanks soundguy
I just went out to the shed and checked. There is no up and down movement in the steering wheel. I can move the steering wheel from the 10:30 position to the 2:30 position before there is any movement in the pitman arms. It is pretty dark in the shed, but I did not notice any fore/aft movement before they rotated. The draglink ends ends are pretty sloppy and this adds to the problem.
I just got the tractor a few weeks back and did not get my mower deck until this week so have not used it much. The 84 inch Land Pride sure makes cutting these ten acres less of a job.
The steering wheel movement from the 10:30 to 2:30 position does not include the slop in the draglink.

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I just went out to the shed and checked. There is no up and down movement in the steering wheel. I can move the steering wheel from the 10:30 position to the 2:30 position before there is any movement in the pitman arms. It is pretty dark in the shed, but I did not notice any fore/aft movement before they rotated. The draglink ends ends are pretty sloppy and this adds to the problem.
I just got the tractor a few weeks back and did not get my mower deck until this week so have not used it much. The 84 inch Land Pride sure makes cutting these ten acres less of a job.
The steering wheel movement from the 10:30 to 2:30 position does not include the slop in the draglink.

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you have to check the up/down movemen while turning the wheel.. generally they unscrew a bit, then the draglinks move.

if no movement like that.. thenthe slop is likely inthe draglink ends, and sector backlash.. for which there areadjuster studs.

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Just checked'
There is about 1/4 inch of movement up when I turn the wheel from right to left.
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Just checked'
There is about 1/4 inch of movement up when I turn the wheel from right to left.
bad upper thrust bearing!

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Just checked'
There is about 1/4 inch of movement up when I turn the wheel from right to left.
bad upper thrust bearing..

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I get the chance I will take it apart and give that a try. I'll have to get the bearing and have eveything ready so I can get it back together in time to mow.
I'm about to get my 47 back together. Just put brakes and seals on it. Those little spring/pin shoe retainers can be a bear. I've got one that is trying to eat me alive.
Thamks for the help.
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keep us posted. yup.. breaks and really.. axle seals are just no fun at all.

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Got the 2n together and bush hogged about 1/2 acre I had been using for a sheep pen. The grass was even with the hood in places and gave the 2n a pretty good workout. It is a 4 ft cutter. It was good to be able to stop on the slope in the pen. I like brakes.
I used the 4000 again today to finish mow about 7 acres. It used 1/2 a tank of gas. That about a gallon an acre. The 7 foot swath beats the old 50 and 60 inch riders. Total gas use is about the same. 4000 is just more comfortable and less time to mow. When it gets a little hotter so the grass does not need mowing every 4 or 5 days I will replace that upper thrust bearing and take a look at the power steering and see what it will take to fix that.
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I love my 4000 it's a 63 model, 4spd gasser with a sherman combo, rowcrop chassie with factory wide front.

right now my small mower is a 740, NF, and a 5' hog.

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OK souNdguy..I give up. What's an NF? Probably something I should know, but I'm drawing a blank. I'm still pretty new to tractors and equipment. I'm more familiar with motorcycles and I've got an old 39 Pontiac and a 38 Nash, but can't recall running across an NF.
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NF = narrow front
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