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Old 03-09-2010, 06:17 PM   post #1 of 31
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Help Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

My dad found the key and got it off the wall, so now I'm looking for some information on this rifle. I know it has "3000" all over it, the guy my dad baught it from said it was the production number, however I did do some research and it has led me to beleave it is a Mosin Nagant. My grandfather thinks this is the Russians response to the German Mauser, which I also bleave it could be. My dad last fired this about 10 yrs ago and had a 2 inch grouping, I'm thinking has has a 100+ yard range with the adjustable rear sight.

One final question, how would this do for deer or bear hunting? has any one here used one before to hunt with?


Here it is, not much known about it, besides it was one of a group of 5 or so that my dad had looked at before he picked this one.



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Old 03-09-2010, 10:48 PM   post #2 of 31
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

if thats what i'm thinking it is. you used to be able to buy them from fleet-farm for about $150 with a case of ammo.

one of my friends has one, we took it to the range and its loud and hits hard. we probably went through 50 rds. he said it came with 400 rds and then he bought a brick once from gander mountain. it was the only time we had seen 7.62x54 for sale. i don't think anyone makes that round anymore, its only mil surplus left.
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

in a little more than layman's terms, 7.62 is basically .308.
dies for that round can be found& cartridges made,just havta search around.
probably find the brass casings in some almost invisible shop,100 or 500 pc sacks for cheap
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

bill,
give this place a shot...
http://alamoammo.com/cart/rifle-ammunition/7.62-x-54

just yahoo searched
the ones with yogi on the box are kinda pricey
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:29 PM   post #5 of 31
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

Here is another place .. they have ton of ammo in that caliber .. Free shipping too http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm

I have bought ammo from them for many years .. but not online .. they are 10 minutes from me
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:12 AM   post #6 of 31
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I see Russian rifles like that at gun shows all the time. Might be a nice piece for sentimental reasons but they're not worth all that much. I have an old WWII 8mm Mauser ... same thing, nice piece but not worth much.
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

I just picked up one of those at Christmas time.

Yes. It is a Mosin Nagant, 7.62x54R (the 'R' indicates rimmed). A (civilian) .308 (also a NATO 7.62) is actually a 7.62x51. The Mosin Nagant round is slightly longer than the NATO round. Bullet diameter is the same.

Ammo is cheap... and fairly plentiful, if you know where to look. I got 2 of the rifles and split a case (880 rounds) of ammo from www.aimsurplus.com. I've also bough 7.62x54Rs from www.wideners.com.

I am EXTREMELY happy with my rifle. Mine is stamped 1943 (this was the common infantry rifle for the Russian army throughout both world wars and Korea... and into the early Vietnam era... select rifles were scoped and used as sniper rifles... see the movie Enemy at the Gates) and is VERY accurate.
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I see Russian rifles like that at gun shows all the time. Might be a nice piece for sentimental reasons but they're not worth all that much. I have an old WWII 8mm Mauser ... same thing, nice piece but not worth much.
The Mosin Nagant's are inexpensive (I wouldn't venture as far as to say "they're not worth much", though) because there was something like 65,000,000 of them made.

As to the 8mm Mausers... yeah, Czech or Turkish Mausers are relatively inexpensive, but... try and lay your hands on a German Mauser... especially any that were made during WWII. They'll set you back a pretty penny.
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The Russian 7.62 X 54R dates from 1891 Imperial Russia. Ballistically it's just a little slower than the 308 Winchester round. There have been a number of rifles made for use with this round and it has served the Russian army to the present day where it's still used in some sniper rifles and machine guns.

Lot's of ammo and reloading components available for this round. It's actually an inherently accurate cartridge when mated with a quality rifle.

Plenty of knockdown for bear in the hands of a competent rifleman IMO.

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I know mine's not German and for some reason I thought it was Spanish. It's old, had to make a new butt plate for it, but it's a good straight shooter and I used to use it as my "foul weather gun" when I went deer hunting and didn't want my 30-06 to get soaked. Luckily new factory ammo is plentiful.
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Could be... Spanish Mausers are pretty common too. The Mauser action was VERY popular... and the Mauser rifles, at the time, were manufactured in MANY countries. From what I've seen, though... ONLY the German ones are as "collectibly desireable".
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Default Re: Russian 7.62x54 rifle, need info please

I'm going to call my dad, see if he will pick up some ammo before spring break, all I need to do is get the right cleaning kit, it needs it bad but my kit does not have the right sized brushes.

As for value, I did not expect much from it. It sure is in nice shape, its just missing the bayonet and thats all.


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I paid less than $100 for mine, so... you're right. You won't (probably) get much money for it.
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Mosin Nagant's are good rifles and yours appears to be in very nice shape. The round is a bit different as it is rimmed as mentioned. Here is a comparison of rounds.
7.62x39 = AK
7.62x51 = 30-30 (longer case neck)
7.62x51 = 308
7.62x54 = (Mosin, Drag, PSL, others)
7.62x57 = 8MM Mauser
7.62x63 = 30-06
7.62x67 = 300 Win mag
7.62x72 = 300 RUM

Either way its a good round.
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Flip your 6 into a 9 and you'll have it for the 8mm Mauser: 7.92X57. There is also the 7.65 Argentine Mauser which is a 7.65X53.
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