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Old 02-05-2010, 02:43 PM   post #1 of 14
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Miller Tire has discontinued using Rim Guard (beet juice). While it is non-corrosive, it has its disadvantages.

• Harder to pump in cold conditions
• Solids tend to settle over time and can’t be pumped out of the storage tank
• Cannot mix Rim Guard with other liquid ballast or it may foam
• All hoses and couplers must be air tight or foaming will result
• If you use too much air pressure during installation, it will foam.
• If it foams, you need to wait for foam to settle before finishing filling tire.
• It smells.

Miller Tire now uses “windshield washer/antifreeze fluid” even though at 8.3 lb/gal it is lighter than chloride & Rim Guard at 10.7 lb/gal

When filling tires, only fill to the top of rim. You need to leave an air cushion in the tire. You can put washer fluid in tubeless tires without tubes.

Miller Tire sells the air/water adapter tool for filling tires.

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Old 02-05-2010, 08:42 PM   post #2 of 14
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Sounds as though it is being discontinued due to it being a pain for the dealer and not due to shortcomings or adverse effects to the consumer, and of course cutting into your profit margins due to lost time.
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Old 02-20-2010, 04:19 PM   post #3 of 14
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So, Rim Guard is 29% heavier than windshield washer antifreeze (10.7 vs 8.3 lb/gallon).

For the consumer, that is a significant advantage in favor of Rim Guard.
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I have Rim Guard and love it its in 16.9x24 tires. woke up my tractor.
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Sounds as though it is being discontinued due to it being a pain for the dealer and not due to shortcomings or adverse effects to the consumer, and of course cutting into your profit margins due to lost time.
DJinWV, I'm with you.
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DJinWV, I'm with you.
Gotta go with ralphtt and crazyfarmer too. Thanks for all the input guys!
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:18 PM   post #7 of 14
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Gotta go with ralphtt and crazyfarmer too. Thanks for all the input guys!
Wish I had known about this before I bought the suitcase weights (less stress on the axles). I guess the more weight the better (to a point). I only hope I have not exceeded that point!
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:07 AM   post #8 of 14
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I called a local tire dealer to get a price on loading my tires. This is a pretty big regional dealer with a couple dozen locations in this area. He told me loading the tires doesn't do much for small tires, only for the bigger tractor tires. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and had the perfect opportunity to sell me this service - but he talked me out of it. This flies in the face of everything I've heard on this site. Any thoughts?
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:21 PM   post #9 of 14
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Yup, I had the max 2 suitcase weights (and chains) on my 155C...I did not like how it struggled for traction at times and I could easily spin the tire if I was not careful. I then would make sure I had a full tank of gas to take advantage of the weight and added a 35# dumbell ontop of my 84#'s of rear suitcase weights. It was better but still not quite right. I then asked about having the dealer load my tires. He pretty much talked me out of it as well. So, I went ahead and filled my own with winshield washer fluid (wwf). It was cheap (especially since I had 4 gallons in stock) and added close to 50# per tire if I recall correctly (if interested I have pics somewhere while the tire is filled on a scale). The difference was noticeable and definately worth it. It was worth it in the summer as well because the tire would not spin on wet grass or steep inclines.

For my X540 and the 47 blower combo, the rear weights is not enough with out chains. I just bought wheel weights (easier to install the liquid ballast and definately more convenient to remove). I will lower the PSI to 4 as recommended by other users and Im sure this will be the right combo.
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Old 12-19-2010, 02:24 PM   post #10 of 14
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I called a local tire dealer to get a price on loading my tires. This is a pretty big regional dealer with a couple dozen locations in this area. He told me loading the tires doesn't do much for small tires, only for the bigger tractor tires. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and had the perfect opportunity to sell me this service - but he talked me out of it. This flies in the face of everything I've heard on this site. Any thoughts?
With some exceptions,tire size is generally relative to tractor size so I fail to understand how it could make little difference traction wise with small tires and make big differences with big tires.

50 lb of weight added to a 500 lb mower I would think would add the same increase in traction as 500 lb added to a 5000 lb tractor.OK,I didn't check my math to see if the percentages work out but I think you can see the point I am trying to make.I am not stating this as a fact,this is just how I understand it.
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Old 12-19-2010, 05:37 PM   post #11 of 14
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This flies in the face of everything I've heard on this site. Any thoughts?
Liquid ballast is the most effective weight you can add to the tractor. It's the only way to add weight exactly where you need it, where the rubber meets the road. Wheel weights transfer part of their weight to the axle. While that is still exerting down pressure on the tires, its doing so by putting weight on components other than the tires. Most GT's can handle that just fine, but these machines aren't getting any newer nor is the metal getting thicker. Suitcase weights, ballast boxes, and a rich protein, dairy, and barley diet coupled with a lack of exercise all add weight to tires, but at the expense of more weight on the frame.

I have 23x10.5x12's on my snow blowing tractor. I used 7.5 gallons per tire when loaded earlier this winter. That gets me 62 pounds right on the contact patch, without loading anything else up. I was still going to keep my eye out for the wheel weights, but now only if I get a smoking deal on a set. I have so much traction I worry that the chains are going to get ground into the rubber.
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Old 02-09-2011, 09:14 PM   post #12 of 14
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so you leave this in all year? sounds like a perfect solution for my traction issues.
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:45 PM   post #13 of 14
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I run Washer Fluid in my tires- My supermarket sells it for $1.50 a gallon, it's easy to load (if you break the bead on the tire) or if you use the air water separator, it's slow, but still loads well. The nice thing is, if you spill some, it will clean the tire up when wiped with a rag, and being as it is alcohol based will all evaporate if the tire blows. Adding 7 gallons to each rear tire on my garden tractor made a huge difference in traction! Like adding 2 sets of wheel weights to each tire!
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:19 AM   post #14 of 14
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I gotta chime in with a thumbs up for Rim Guard. Each rear tire/wheel combo on my Cub 1862 weighs 112 lb when filled with Rim Guard. I can completely understand Miller Tire's choice to discontinue the use of Rim Guard from an installers stand point, however.
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