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Old 11-27-2009, 08:20 AM   #1
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Hi, I am new to this forum. I just purchased a used 445 with 115 hours. I have a question regarding the use of the pto in reverse. I have a snowblower attachment and I will need to reverse a lot when doing my driveway. Can anyone tell me if I will do any harm by holding the reverse engage mode up continuously using a small vise grip while blowing by driveway. Is there another way to accomplish this?
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:33 AM   #2
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Nobody in this forum will reccomend you 'defeat' any Safety feature on your tractor if that's what you're looking for..

Just a note of caution- If you do this you could endanger yourself or others around you so---> It's up to you if you wanna take that risk..
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:34 AM   #3
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I do it all the time with the mower deck. A wood clothes pin works perfect.

When I get time I am just going to unhook the switch off the back of transmission.
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ptrig ,

You do know that after pulling up on the RIO knob and start reverse motion , you can then let go of the RIO knob and your PTO will continue to run ...

What year is your JD 445 ??? That is for sure low hours ...

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Old 11-27-2009, 09:33 AM   #5
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You know what I call a tractor that shuts the pto off in reverse.......useless.
If I knew how to defeat such a device I would tell you, but fortunately I do not own any machines that will not mow in reverse without pushing buttons. I've mowed in reverse for 19 years without incident. It's ashame we all have to suffer in todays society because of a few stupid people.
Sorry if I offend, but it's just getting to be too much.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:52 AM   #6
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It's ashame we all have to suffer in todays society because of a few stupid people.
Sorry if I offend, but it's just getting to be too much.
I agree 100%. Same reason they have to put stickers on a mower deck saying dont stick your hand in here.

Duh !



People are not very smart unfortunatly.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:51 AM   #7
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I remember when I was trying to figure out how the RIO worked on my GT225 ( you decide why). I was amazed to see how much engineering John Deere had invested in creating that device. I could see it was made to out last the mower, and therefore, not cheap to make. Yet, if you are like me, and must mow a rather large yard, with lots of tight spaces and obstacles, that force you to reverse a lot, that device is a madding thing to try to tolerate. So, it is not surprising there are so many posts asking how to disable it, and I suppose because of this most RIO devices are disabled, sooner or later. This is the fatal flaw in the whole idea. And even for those few operators that do tolerate them there is no guarantee they will actually look behind the tractor when they do back up. What it chiefly does it protect the manufacturer, somewhat, from lawsuits. But, it just maybe, there somewhere, at some time, it may have prevented a few terrible accidents from happening. I really do hope so.
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Old 11-27-2009, 12:11 PM   #8
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I have a question regarding the use of the pto in reverse....... I have a snowblower attachment and I will need to reverse a lot when doing my driveway. Is there another way to accomplish this?
I don't have or use a snowblower, but my understanding of the way they work is when moving forward into a snowpile, the auger(s) force the snow into a chute and it's then blown to the side. You can't do this in reverse anyway, can you?

I'm no fan of the RIO, for sure, but it seems much less an issue when you can only use the implement when moving forward. That said, the RIO CAN be diasabled, but, just like Aunt Jenny's "problem", we can't talk about it here I will say it's an easy fix.
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:04 PM   #9
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No one can explain why pulling up a knob makes it safer to mow in reverse.

This is a STUPID idea.

At least it is easily fixed.
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No one can explain why pulling up a knob makes it safer to mow in reverse.

This is a STUPID idea.

At least it is easily fixed.
Ask the darn Lawyer's & OSHA dude.. For some reason if ya pull up on the knob you must be in the proper operating position & won't run yerself over after diving for the spilled beer behind the tractor?? huh??

Sorry I spoke up..
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:59 PM   #11
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Not to mention that it can not be good for the pto continuously restarting the deck or snowblower every time it kicks out.

I did not have this feature on my 1998 gt275, but my gx345 has it and I think it is the worst feature about this tractor. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to learn that it had that.
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Old 11-27-2009, 02:42 PM   #12
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I don't have or use a snowblower, but my understanding of the way they work is when moving forward into a snowpile, the auger(s) force the snow into a chute and it's then blown to the side. You can't do this in reverse anyway, can you?
Dont need it in reverse but if you have a blower you need to lift the blower when you back up. If you have the reverse mechanism in place it kills the PTO and then when you get back to make your next cut with the blower you have to push your PTO switch in and pull it back out. Either that or lift it up before you back up which is hard to do while you are trying to steer and lift the blower.

I agree that starting and stopping the PTO is just wear and tear on stuff.

I will be removing my reverse switch before the snow flies.
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Thats one of the things I like about my 2305 it has no such button like I had on my X585SE. I guess they think us folks that buy a SCUT are much more intelligent than those that buy LT/GT's. slkpk
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Thats one of the things I like about my 2305 it has no such button like I had on my X585SE. I guess they think us folks that buy a SCUT are much more intelligent than those that buy LT/GT's. slkpk
With such a small price gap between a 2305 and an X series you might be LOL!
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I had a jd 145 and every time you wanted to back up with the mower engaged you had to hold in a button or the tractor would stall. I don't have little ones anymore and I live in the county so, yes I by passed the safety switch, I know, I know I'm a bad person. I sold the 145 and bought a simplicity legacy xl this spring and guess what, they too have it set up if you go in reverse it kills the motor but what they have is a key switch that once the pto is engaged you turn the key and a red light, lights up and as long as the pto is engaged you can mow, blow in reverse. It's a simple system that lets you make the choice of what you want to do.
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