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Old 03-31-2012, 12:21 PM   post #46 of 57
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I am a ford mustang die hard. I've had plenty of ford trucks in the past. I've have a couple GM trucks and I've had three newer dodge ram trucks as work trucks (free truck with company gas card)

With that said......

I would not take another dodge if they gave it to me. The hemi is a joke. It lacks lowend power for any kind of hauling or towing. I would make a great hot rod engine as it makes all its power at 6K rpm. Best fuel economy I've seen out of my 2012 2500HD is 12.8 driving like there was an egg on the pedal. The half tons also have coil springs...makes for a nice cushy ride for all those soccer moms that want a quad cab....

Two buddies have bought the new eco boost F150's. They were under the assumptions that it was like powerstroke power with honda fuel economy.. They get my when my silverado out pulls them and gets better milelage.

My 2000 silverado had 298K on it when I traded it in 6 months ago on a used silverado LTZ Z71. it still got 20+ mpg, towed a couple hundred cars, and flat out hauled the mail!
I like the ride and drive of my new silverado (new to me, but used. 2007-2012 all the same body, engine, etc) The best thing about ole red was pulling a trailer with a rolling chassis (no motor or trans) mustang on the back. My buddy in his 5.4 expedition thought he would be funny and pull up beside me and race....when that little 5.3 with 280+K on it pulled about three truck lengths on him and I had a car and trailer on the back!

And its still the best looking truck out there....

this was clifford...298K on the clock... nothing wrong other than the rockers started rusting when I parked it for a couple years when I got a company truck. Best vehicle I've ever owned.





Heres the new (to me) silver bullit. First test for her, traded in the 2000 and didn't have a ride to the dealer so.......




Then I proceeded to move everything out of my storage unit to my new house...

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Old 03-31-2012, 12:24 PM   post #47 of 57
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New Ecoboost F-150. rated for mid 20's in MPG, a nice 2wd will run around $25k, base is 22k, so depending on what you want, you don't need to spend much ( in relation to other pickups )

If you can find a 2011 Ranger still on the lot, 1 with a 2.3L 5spd will get 30 MPG and do what you described. probably be in the $16-18k range, and might even have a deal as a clearence vehicle
actual milelage for the ecoboost from three buddies that have them are saying no better than 17...they are a little irate about it...my 2008 silverado 5.3 gets 18-19 normally and 21-22 if I drive it easy (i like to drive 80 everywhere)
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:16 PM   post #48 of 57
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One of the reasons the diesel PU's of that era were poor sellers was that they were grossly underpowered, even by the standards of the day.
Some were very under-powered and some were fine. I suspect the BIG problem with sales was collective diesel ignorance. Not only with the people who bought the trucks, but also the many mechanics who were clueless with diesels (and many still are). That's why we had to fix many GM diesel problems in the late 70s and 80s at our John Deere dealership. The local GM dealers were pretty much clueless on certain types of diesel repair and diagnosis. Many diesels got blames for failures that did not exist from "mechanics" who did not know what they' were doing.

Myth #1 about diesels having more power than gas engines caused many problems. The opposite is true. Gas engines will always have more power then diesel engines if same size and same aspiration. That's why GM had to make a 379 cubic inch diesel (6.2 liter) to make the same power and torque as a 305 gas engines (5 liter). I know of many new truck buyers back in 1982 who were used to the power of their 350 Chevy gassers. When they got the new 379 diesels with much less power - it was hard to convince them that it was normal and to be expected.

The turbo Isuzu 2.2 diesel truck had lots of power. So did the turbo-diesel Ford Ranger, turbo-diesel IH Scout, and the turbo-diesel Dodge Ram 50. Great running trucks, very reliable, and did not sell. Now the S10 Chevy and S15 GMC diesel truck WAS a dog ,but that was GMs fault. My non-turbo 81 diesel Chevette and non-turbo 91 Volkswagens both have all the power I need -but not what we're calling "trucks."

The last 1/2 ton full size diesel truck or SUV ever offered in the USA was from GM and they were also poor sellers. Turbocharged and plenty of power for normal use with the 6.5 turbo in a light truck, Blazer, or Suburban.

I worked off and on as a diesel mechanic for near 50 years. I saw the same consumer mistakes and misgivings over and over. Generally speaking, USA-Americans do not like the smell of diesel fuel, don't like the sound of a diesel engine, don't like to deal with cold starting issues of diesels, are clueless about diesel fuel gelling in cold temps, and expect diesels to have more power then gassers instead of less. That was the problem. So, to sell - the USA consumer wants a diesel that acts NOTHING like a diesel. Why bother? It's also the reason why the newer small common-rail diesels do not get better MPGs.


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Makes you wonder what kind of mileage the Ranger would have had if it got the Ecoboost. That was the problem I think, there was not enough difference in gas mileage to justify not getting the larger truck. .
I suspect it would be a great little truck. From what I gather, there is not enough profit involved with sales of small trucks and the reason why Ford dropped the Ranger. Kind of a shame. Even in the used market it's very hard to find Rangers that were actually made with economy in mind with small engines. Most I come across have 3 liter or 4 liter V6s. Four cylinder versions are rare.

Toyota has always had the best small truck and still does. Reliability and fuel mileage if you pick the 2.4 or 2.7 engine.

As to the reports and 17 MPG with the F150 Ecoboost? I know a few people that have clocked 24 MPG consistently. But that is flat highway driving with no "stop and go." Stop and go driving and hills is what kills fuel mileage in truck. My Dodge Grand Caravan AWD with a 3.8 gets 23-24 MPG on the highway but can get as low as 7 MPG pulling hard up a hill. If I only drove it "around town" it would average 15 MPG at best.

That's why I'm been so impressed with the new Ford Escape AWD 2.5 liter. Great mileage either way. I'll never buy one new, though. Spending $25-$30K to up MPGs by a few numbers doesn't add up in my calculations. If you have to buy a new rig anyway -it makes more sense.
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:25 PM   post #49 of 57
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Almost always overlooked when people look for a truck is the axle ratios. 80s F150s had ratios from here to the moon: 2.47 all the way to 4.10. Imagine two guys on opposite sides of the gas pumps filling up their trucks with 2.47 & 4.10 ratios. One guy will boast the incredible mileage his truck gets but can't haul or tow anything heavy. The other guy will boast his truck could tow a house but can't get any better than 11mpg. In 94 they had 2.73, 3.08, 3.31 or 3.55. F150 Lightning had a 4.10 ratio. The guy I rent storage space from has had many Chevy/GMC 1500 with 4.3 and 3.42 ratio and gets 17-19 everywhere he goes. His 2006 4.3 4wd shortbed has 3.73 and gets only 14mpg everywhere he goes. My 4 cylinder Rangers both have 3.73 ratios. If you find a newer 4 cylinder Ranger supercab they have 4.10 ratios.
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:57 PM   post #50 of 57
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The guy I rent storage space from has had many Chevy/GMC 1500 with 4.3 and 3.42 ratio and gets 17-19 everywhere he goes.
No way he gets those MPGs in stop and go driving. Highway yeah.

It's the final ratio that counts, not necessarily the axle ratio. Lots of overdrive can make up for a high number axle. No OD WITH a high ratio can get good highway MPGs but lousy lugging and towing performance.

For a truck working hard - the engine needs to operate within its peak torque curve for best effiency which is usually 1800-2000 RPM.

In my diesel 4WD mini-motorhome, changing axles to a higher number made it a better driver and MPGs stayed the same. It has 3.08 axle ratios with .7 overdrive. Best fuel mileage was 16 MPG on the highway.

I yanked the axles and installed 3.73s with the same .7 overdrive. It still gets exactly the same 16 MPGs but is a much better driver. Why the same MPGs? The engine was running too slow with the 3.08s and working harder at highway speeds.

Your point is of course true - but more often with vehicles that lack overdrive and/or lock-up torque converters.
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I understand the need to buy new if you can't fix your own equipment or feel a need for all the newest toys and safety equipment. I do fix all my own and don't care about all the new gadgets and toys. I like owning stuff outright. Low insurance fees and no payments.

My #1 workhorse truck right now is my 1985 4WD Isuzu diesel PUP. Just hit 300K miles and easily gets over 30 MPGs on the highway. It gets beat to death, overloaded, and run all over the woods and farm-fields besides on the road. I have plenty of bigger trucks -but this thing is small and handy. Being light it will often go places my big trucks won't.







My 86 K5 4WD turbo-diesel Chevy Blazer with a pop-up roof motorhome body, snow plow, etc. It can camp, two and push snow. Also has on-board 5000 watts of AC power made from an inverter system. Gets 16 MPG on the road.







My 1992 Dodge extended-cab W200 with 4WD and intercooled turbo Cummins 5.9 diesel. Five speed manual Getrag and 3.50 axles. Gets a best of 21 MPG highway and 18 MPG with a camper on the back.





My 1994 Ford F250 extended cab 4WD with the early 7.3 IDI turbo diesel. 4.10 axles and E40D trans. Gets a best of 15 MPG in New York and 17 MPG in Michigan. It got 14 MPG towing a Kia SUV from NY to Michigan which is pretty good.







My 87 3/4 ton 4WD diesel Suburban pulling my 88 GMC diesel Suburban. Got 520,000 miles before the first engine blew to pieces.



My two favorite diesel cars. 1981 Chevette 2.2 and 1991 Volkswagen Jetta 1.6. Both can get 50 MPG and both have plenty of power. Neither one ever got less then 38 MPG "around town."

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Old 03-31-2012, 03:30 PM   post #52 of 57
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I think you may have missed owning a couple of brands, although I can't think of any right now.
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The best truck? The one that stays out of the shop, of course. Color, brand, grill emblem- makes no difference, if its broke down.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:34 PM   post #54 of 57
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I think you may have missed owning a couple of brands, although I can't think of any right now.

I would love to know the battery count on all those tractors and autos.Two each in the diesels.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:56 AM   post #55 of 57
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I would love to know the battery count on all those tractors and autos.Two each in the diesels.
Not all. 1992 Dodge-Cummins trucks only use one big commercial battery instead of two smaller one.

Yes -batteries are costly and have doubled in price recently. But I have many I swap back and forth. We always have five vehicles on the road at any given time -but we rotate. Also the five we use in the winter never get used in the summer when the road salt is gone. That is - except for Michigan where they salt some roads all summer long. Besides the ones where we live full-time, we also have a car and diesel truck and four tractors at our place in northern Michigan. They get used summmer -falls only. All the batteries there are left all winter hooked to solar panels to keep charged.

Many of my winter car/truck batteries here go into my farm tractors, crawlers and backhoes in the summer - so they don't just sit around.

We have a large farm house and also a smaller house in the Adirondacks - all with solar power and battery banks. Those are the big expense. Our house has a dozen batteries that are $350 each and the house in the Adirondacks has 6 batteries that are $200 each. they tend to last 7-10 years.

My diesel Chevy Blazer has 6 batteries. Two for starting and four to make portable AC power via two large inverters.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:16 PM   post #56 of 57
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i just went with this truck. 1989 Ford F-150 Custom, 4.9L 300 i6. 5 speed manual and hi/lo

only cost a grand, with 150k or 250k (odometer only has 5 digits) the problem is rust and beat suspension.....





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Old 04-07-2012, 09:22 PM   post #57 of 57
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of course it has hi/low. it's a 4x4.. My grandfather had a very similar truck, and with 189k miles, the engine and trans were great, but the cab was rotten out from under the truck..

The M5OD 5spd is a fairly stout trans for being as road friendly as it is. Unlike the T-18 4spd that your truck could have come with. 6.32 1st and 7.44 reverse with 1st gear non syncronized.. Trade off was, the T-18 is pretty much bullet proof. it's about 20" long and 17" high, but weighs about 300 LBS of solid cast iron
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