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: What is a good small tractor and tiller combo for large scale gardening?


twest
08-01-2005, 03:18 PM
I want a new, small tractor to run a tiller and other small implements for big scale gardening. I'm not mechanical, and although I've used big tractors, I want one that I can service and switch out implements without any help. My husband's got a Ford TN65 with a plow that can break up my gardening areas, but it is just too big to turn around in the tight spots I use. For an example, one garden is 80x40. I would like to have a compact, or subcompact size that has a narrower footprint than his does (6ft) and that can turn much tighter. My husband suggested 4WD to get more power out of a little tractor. I would like to run a front end loader on it, and it would be great if someone made miniature plows and seed drills and such. I work in heavy clay soil and it would need preworking to run a tiller. I want to steer away from getting something that was primarily designed to mow.

Besides the tractor I need some advice about the tiller. Do I get one the same width as my tractor, or will an offset help with that issue? I want to use it to prepare a seed bed, to cultivate weeds, to work in manure and compost. Which tillers work well, and what kind of features do I need to look for?

chrpmaster
08-01-2005, 03:28 PM
don't know what your budget is but you could look at one of our members (ropari) recent posts of a Case 446 with attachments for sale. those are very tough tractors as others can attest to yet small enough to fit most areas.

Just my .02

Andy

bontai Joe
08-01-2005, 03:44 PM
If you definitely want new and can afford them, The Simplicity Legacy is a very nice choice (Also available as the Massey Ferguson 2927) can be fitted up with 4WD, a loader, and 3 point hitch. Also the Cub Cadet 5000 series and 6000 series tractors available in several different configurations, and engine options for a little less money.

bontai Joe
08-01-2005, 04:19 PM
I want to also recommend looking at Kubota. They make a fine machine at a reasonable price.

Ingersoll444
08-03-2005, 06:53 AM
Sounds like you would realy want a sub compact. Check out the Kubota BX tractors, the Massey ferg GC tractors, and JD has one in that size also. They are about the size of a big garden tractor, but are built like a full size tractor with all the feachers. Not cheep, but sounds like the best size for you.

BTW Welcome to MTF!!!! Hope you like your stay here!!!!!

thesmartfarmer
08-03-2005, 09:33 AM
Depending on what budget you are on would be the main deciding and if you want new or used? Also I would go with a sub-compact and the tiller should either be off-set or just a little wider than your tractor (covers up your tire tracks)

guest
08-03-2005, 11:48 AM
First off :Welcome1: Twest! :trink40: :trink39: I used my 4410 in our garden which was about the size of yours until we recently moved. It does a good job but is overkill for that size garden. I use it in other areas as well.

For the garden and tasks you mentioned, budget NOT an issue; I would suggest a John Deere 4115 with a 410 FEL & HD bucket (you may want to consider a 4 in 1 bucket). A VERY compact machine with a 24 hp diesel engine to provide more than enough power for any task. http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/GC/servlet/com.deere.u90785.cce.productcatalog.view.servlets. ProdCatProduct?pNbr=128DLV&tM=GC&cNbr=GC_CUT&sCName=4000+TEN+Series+Compact+Utility+Tractors (http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/GC/servlet/com.deere.u90785.cce.productcatalog.view.servlets. ProdCatProduct?pNbr=128DLV&tM=GC&cNbr=GC_CUT&sCName=4000+TEN+Series+Compact+Utility+Tractors)an d iMatch kit, with a Land Pride RTR 1550 or RTR1558 pto tiller. http://www.landpride.com/lpdiv/products/prod_rt/prod_rtr15.html I have the RTR 1558. VERY solid and great performing tiller. The iMatch kit mounts onto the 3 pt. hitch and makes changing out implements very easy. The Land Pride tiller has an adjusable offset which I like. I have mine offset to the right about 12 inches beyond the rear tire width. This makes it a lot easier to get in close to my string bean fence.

Your mention of the seed drill kinda throws a wrench in my suggestion above as I am thinking that depending upon the size of the drill, even a 4410 may be on the small side. Perhaps you could expand a bit on this area to give us a bit more info.

You can save money going with the 4010 or 4110, or even 790.

My suggestion IF budget IS a big consideration would be a Kioti CK25 HST or CK 30 HST http://www.kiotitractor.com/products/tractors/ck25HST.asp http://www.kiotitractor.com/products/tractors/ck30HST.asp . The Kioti tractors are VERY solid and reliable machines at a very good price. Take a look at the various models and see which meets your needs.

A MUCH less expensive but solid tiller I would suggest is the King Kutter pto tiller. They can be purchased at Tractor Supply Center http://www.mytscstore.com/detail.asp?pcID=4&paID=1029&sonID=76&page=2&productID=1756 . Also our sponsor Carter and Carter Machinery http://www.ccmachinery.com/sells some very nice tillers at VERY competitive prices as well. As does our sponsor Smart Farmer http://www.thesmartfarmer.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=L85 One of our other sponsors Pat's Easy Change System http://www.greenwellmfg.com/ makes a real handy quick change 3 pt. hitch adaptor. Be sure to give them a look! :fing32:

Sorry about the long post. Just wanted to offer you both ends of the spectrum and a few ideas in between. Please feel free to come back with more questions and ideas. :trink40:

thesmartfarmer
08-03-2005, 12:05 PM
Hey Cheif dont forget us also!! We have Tiller they are just not listed on our site. We carry the Maschio, Curtis, and Muratori brands.

guest
08-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Hey Cheif dont forget us also!! We have Tiller they are just not listed on our site. We carry the Maschio, Curtis, and Muratori brands.

Sorry about that! :fing20: My mistake! I didn't realize you were carrying those now. Omission has been corrected with my apologies and promise to exercise better eye sight in the future. :trink40:

jdkubotamurray
08-03-2005, 08:00 PM
Check out the JD790, 2210 and 4000 series.

Archdean
08-03-2005, 08:55 PM
Should come as no surprise to no one that I would recommend a B Series Kubota to you , specifically a B 7510 ,,, It's what I use and find it perfect for the application .
Please avail yourself to the following link you will not be dissapointed!!

http://www.kubota.com/f/products/b7410.cfm

Will be happy to answer any and all questions that you may have!!

jdkubotamurray
08-04-2005, 12:52 AM
The B's are a nice little tractor, but once you've had a Kubota L it's hard to go back.....;+} I did like the bx while I had it also.

Archdean
08-04-2005, 12:59 AM
The B's are a nice little tractor, but once you've had a Kubota L it's hard to go back.....;+} I did like the bx while I had it also.

I agree JDKM but when you reread the question she first posted the 'B series' seems to be the ticket for this lady!!

itsgottobegreen
08-04-2005, 10:58 PM
For clay soil. There is only one tiller you want. The kubota reverse tine tiller. The B7510 or B7610 with a 48" model. Would be perfict. I have run my buddy's 5' kubota reverse tiller on his 4310 in maryland's claycrete. It busted right through the hard rocky clay. My 48" forward tine tiller (95% of 3pt tiller are this way) just walks up on top of the hard soil. They just don't work well as a reverse tine tiller.

Kubota tractors and tillers are the best.

lb59
10-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Do I get one the same width as my tractor, or will an offset help with that need to look for?

I prefer one that covers both wheel tracks.
That way you can work right to left or left to right.
You can also make passes in either direction without leaving wheel tracks.

lb59
10-28-2005, 11:01 PM
[QUOTE=bontai Joe] The Simplicity Legacy is a very nice choice (Also available as the Massey Ferguson 2927) QUOTE]

I didn't know the Legacy and MF 2927 were the same tractor.

Mr_Ron
10-29-2005, 09:57 AM
:Welcome1:

I have a similar ďshopping listĒ and a month ago, I started my search here; motherearthnews.com - Choosing a Compact Tractor (http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/2002_April_May/Choosing_a_Compact_Tractor) And in a long roundabout process, I ended up at this forum, where I have got a ton of useful information. The dealers that are most convenient to me represent John Deere, Kioti, Kubota, Massey Ferguson, New Holland and Simplicity. Through e-mail, I got prices from all the dealers that would respond. I had to remove the Kioti from my list do to price and the fact that they are never open when Iím off work, and to far from my work for a lunch stop. Last weekend I test drove the Kubota BX23, and the dealer let me play with the back hoe. It wasnít part of my original criteria, but I have started making a list of projects requiring the b-hoe. :p :D I have since ruled out New Holland (after two trips, I never saw anyone to talk to. The sales area and parts department were deserted. After the second time, I decided it was an omen and havenít been back, but the machine was comfortable to sit on. It is a small thing, but I didnít like the parking break on the Massey Ferguson, for me it was uncomfortable to engage. The Deere was a sweet driving machine, but to get a BHoe, means going up a level which is a huge jump in price. If money was no object, I would probably by a Deere.
Thursday I dropped my Broadmoor off at the Simplicity dealer for repairs. Unless the service department totally ticks me off, Iíll have a serious discussion about the Legacy XL when I pick up my mower, to see which orange tractor I end up with. I donít know if that helps any, but Iíll repeat the best advice I have received. Go visit dealers, and test drive the machines. Good luck, and let us know where you land.

MowHoward2210
10-29-2005, 10:30 AM
Mr_ Ron

The Woods BH600 Groundbreaker X backhoe will fit the JD 2210.

bontai Joe
02-19-2006, 12:42 PM
So how's the search going? Have you seen anything that seems to work well for you?

lb59
02-19-2006, 06:42 PM
:Welcome1:

1* Last weekend I test drove the Kubota BX23, and the dealer let me play with the back hoe. It wasn't part of my original criteria, but I have started making a list of projects requiring the b-hoe.
2*Iíll have a serious discussion about the Legacy XL when I pick up my mower,
3*===== I want a sub CUT
Mr_Ron
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T*I'v only got $3800 in the backhoe on my BX23. I have 397 hours on the tractor and at 95 hours the BH had already paid for it's self.
I find MY BH is almost as indispensable as The front end loader.
You can do a lot more with the BH than just dig ditches and holes.
I found a new/different use for it just the other day. I've been grubbing the upper quarter on my property.
There were several piles of brush along the lot line in the woods and about 5 feet from 3 of my neighbors garages and storage buildings. There was no way I could get to the piles to push them out with the FEL.
I simply backed the tractor up to the piles and used the BH as a sort of giant powered hand rake and pulled all the brush piles out of there.
2*My BX23 was $15500 with FEL BH and 60 '' MMM.
The Legacy XL with these attachments was over $20000.
Which would you rather have a LG. tractor for $20000 or a Sub cut for $15000?
Something that scares me I'm seeing a lot is The pictures from New Legacy XL owners showing them doing FEL and BH work without a ROPS on the tractor.
Apparently the safety and well being of their customers isn't one of Simplicities main concerns.
3* That's not a Legacy
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glenn27
02-19-2006, 07:05 PM
I think another member here, Volfandt, has a Bx w/ a backhoe--he seems to be very pleased with it....

lb59
02-19-2006, 07:48 PM
I think another member here, Volfandt, has a Bx w/ a backhoe--he seems to be very pleased with it....
Yep he and I both have also posted about our BX 23 tractors over on TBN.

lb59
02-19-2006, 07:53 PM
[QUOTE=twest]I want a new, small tractor to run a tiller for big scale gardening. QUOTE]

I would love to have a Kubota BX1500.
I priced the Tractor a while back for $5700.
Anybody seen a better price?