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Gary in NJ
04-07-2008, 07:32 PM
Does anybody know of a good source for wheels and Ag tires? I'd like to mount Ag tires on their own rims for an easy and quick change-out. I plan on making a lot of use of my Johnny Bucket Sr. this summer, but I don't want to destroy the lawn by using Ag tires when cutting grass.

My 3206 uses 24X10.5x12 tires. CC rims are over $100 each. I'd go used if I can find them.

RBedell
04-07-2008, 07:59 PM
Gary:

Try Miller Tire Co Miller (www.millertire.com/)

I have used Ag tires for 5 years now on my lawn and I have NOT destroyed my lawn. In fact, I have better tractor and don't have those "scape outs" that turf tires cause when you loose traction.

mmzullo
04-08-2008, 09:13 AM
Gary,
I have brand new ags in stock right now. I have 23x8.5x12 and can get different sizes. I'm in Norther NJ and have cadet wheels also. Ags are Carlisle. I also have tri-ribs for the front. I think they are like 44.00each for the 8.5's. Tri ribs are 23.00 each and are 400x8. I'm not a tire dealer just buy a bunch of tires and sell them to some forum members.
By the way, all my tractos have ags on them and they don't cut up the lawn.

Gary in NJ
04-08-2008, 09:34 AM
The 24X10.5x12 size seems to be a real odd-ball. mmzullo, are you able to get this size?

Maybe I'll just try the Ag's on my current rims, and if they become a problem on the lawn, then I'll spend money on spare rims.

Gary in NJ
04-08-2008, 10:11 AM
I see that Carlisle has an AT101, 24x12-12 that is very close to what I need (23.8" mounted height vs 23.1). They are 1.5 inches wider, so I'll have to measure for clearance.

Looking at the load ratings, I now realize that I really need to change the front tires too. They are 16x7.5-8.

I hate it when a simple project gets less simple :)

lt230s
04-08-2008, 12:30 PM
Try TSC if there is one around you. They had the ags, but not sure if they caried rims. You might find some at a local junkyard a lot cheaper.
Good luck

saskman49
04-08-2008, 05:03 PM
I see that Carlisle has an AT101, 24x12-12 that is very close to what I need (23.8" mounted height vs 23.1). They are 1.5 inches wider, so I'll have to measure for clearance.

Looking at the load ratings, I now realize that I really need to change the front tires too. They are 16x7.5-8.

I hate it when a simple project gets less simple :)

FYI
Carlisle Tru Power 23x10.5x12's are 23.3 dia x 10w with a load rating of 1350lbs @10Mph

Gary in NJ
04-09-2008, 12:06 PM
FYI
Carlisle Tru Power 23x10.5x12's are 23.3 dia x 10w with a load rating of 1350lbs @10Mph

That's good info there. I see that they have a 16x6.5-8 front tire that is close to what is used on my tractor (16x7.5-8) that has a 620 pound rating.

wham
04-09-2008, 04:42 PM
I think the idea that Ag's tear up a yard comes from the fact that over the years people have tried to use Cubs, A's, Super A's, 8n's and other larger utitility type tractors to cut their yards with which on the average weigh anywhere from 3 to 4 times what the average garden tractor does. Usually the ags on a much lighter garden tractor don't tend to "bite" into your turf unless you have wet conditions.
Tim H.

JohnboyBillybob
04-09-2008, 09:25 PM
I can attest to he fact that if you put ag tires on with a johnny bucket you will tear up your lawn learning to load your bucket. I received my Johnny Bucket yesterday and am still getting use to it. I have dug quite a few holes with the ag's so far with about three hours use. I have enjoyed it so far.

I got my tires through local dealer because he said Cub still listed the 23X9.50's. When they arrived they were 23X8.50's. I have not loaded them yet or added wheel weights.

Gary in NJ
04-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Not to drag this out...

I measured my tires last night. The 24 x 10.5 tires are actually 23.1 x 10.5.

I think "24" is a result of "bigger is better" marketing.

I H8 UM
04-12-2008, 09:51 PM
I put the 8.5's on my GT3100. They are incredible. Someone on here recommended I get the 8.5s from Tractor Supply and take them to some Good Ol boy tire shop and tell them to mount them, even if it seems like they won't fit. That is what I did and they are great. They don't mess up the yard during mowing and they work great giving traction with my Johnny Bucket. They will mess up the yard if you are doing excavation or something that requires muscle. Enjoy that Johnny Bucket. It is the best purchase I have made, along with my Cub Cadet.

LAKE ONTARIO
05-11-2008, 08:00 PM
When you guys say "AG's" do you mean super lugs? I put my JBJR on my new 2542 2 days ago & have been doing a pretty good job of putting "skid marks" ( no not those kind of skid marks) all over my yard & got stuck in the mud once already.:thThumbsU

Gary in NJ
05-12-2008, 08:58 AM
Yes, Ag's (short for agricultural), Lugs and Bars are "street lingo" for tractor tires with superior grip.

I saw your photo in the other thread. Indeed, for that type of digging you need lugs, weights...and dry ground. BTW, loose the deck when you dig.

I did find a great source for lugs at Michener's Grass Roots (www.mgrassroots.com). Best of all they are just 2 miles from where I work.

Gary in NJ
05-12-2008, 01:05 PM
Info for the 3000 series drivers:

I did purchase Carlisle Tru Power AT's in a 23x10.50-12 size. These tires at 23.3" are nearly identical to the 24x10.50-12 OEM tires. I payed $74.55 each, which is a great price.

This is a very aggressive tire with overlapping lugs, so the ride is as smooth as the turf tires.

http://www.carlisletire.com/products/big_biters/trupower_at/catalog.pdf

Gary in NJ
05-13-2008, 01:29 PM
Disregard my post above.

I went to swap out the tires last night and it was a non-starter. When I placed the tires next to the tractor I knew there was a problem. The 24's on the tractor measure 23.1, the Tru Power AT's were 20.75 (unmounted and un-inflated). Even so, I don't see how'd they grow to the spec size of 23.3 - a full 2.55". I can see 0.50" to maybe 1.00, but never 2.55".

So I brought them back to Michener's. I put them next to a regular Tru Power (non-AT) and Carlisle Super Lug's, both 23x10.50-12. Sure enough, the AT's are more then an inch shorter. I really liked the tread pattern of the AT's, but there is no way they will ever work.

I left Michener's with the Super Lugs (4 ply) and $25 in my pocket. The Tru Powers' were a little taller (and slightly narrower @9.5" vs. 11") but with a 7.0 rim spec I just couldn't use 'em on my 8.5" wide rims.

So I did a lot of work and research and got nowhere. But at least I found a great local source for off-road tires. And I KNOW that I got the closet fit for my tractor.

Gary in NJ
05-15-2008, 09:03 AM
Got my Super lugs on last night. I also scored 75 pound (each) wheel weights off Craigslist for $40 so I installed them as well.

All I can say is WOW. There was no stopping this beast from digging last night. I was able to drive the bucket deeper and further, enabling me to get a fully loaded bucket, rather then the 1/4 filled bucket I was getting with the turf/chain set-up.

There is about 0.25" difference in wheel height between the 23x10.50-12 Super Lugs and the 24x10.50-12 Cub Turf tires. An insignificant difference.

I'm not one of those guys that as a kid played with Tonka trucks or dreamed of using heavy equipment. But I have to tell you, I had a blast operating that Johnny Bucket last night. With this tire change the JB Sr. went from a wheel barrow replacement to a heck of a useful tool. I can see that I'll be looking for projects around the house now.

jimk403
05-15-2008, 05:54 PM
I have been following this thread even though I don't have a CC. Glad to see you found tires that will work. I too have wide wheels/tires on my Craftsman, 24x12-12, and have been looking for more traction. The Super Lugs may work for me as well.
Do you have pics?

Gary in NJ
05-15-2008, 10:13 PM
I get some pictures tomorrow when I'm digging. I cutting a 30' x 20' area out a slope behind my house to put an above ground pool 1/2 in the ground. I have to get 2.5 feet into the slope.

eddyyy302
05-15-2008, 10:54 PM
I get some pictures tomorrow when I'm digging. I cutting a 30' x 20' area out a slope behind my house to put an above ground pool 1/2 in the ground. I have to get 2.5 feet into the slope.

Why didn't I get a phone call to play with my Cub with Loader....:Disgus:
I never have any projects of mass destruction as I like to call them to really use that thing! Good luck with that job, hope all is well.
Dan

Gary in NJ
05-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Why didn't I get a phone call to play with my Cub with Loader....:Disgus:
I never have any projects of mass destruction as I like to call them to really use that thing! Good luck with that job, hope all is well.
Dan

You're welcome to join the fun! There's plenty to go around. If my math is correct, I have about 25 yards of soil to move.

Given the capacity (and practical loading capabilities) of a JB Sr., that's 600 to 700 loads.

No, I'm not counting.

LAKE ONTARIO
05-16-2008, 08:52 PM
Will the 4 ply 23x10.5x12 super lugs fit my machine? I currently have 23x9.5x12 turf tires on.

Gary in NJ
05-17-2008, 12:38 AM
Yes, Carlisle doesn't make Super Lug's in 23x9.50-12, 4 ply. The 23x10.50-12 should fit. I assume you have 8.5" wide rims.

hammerhead
05-17-2008, 02:40 AM
Well, FWIW I just got done swapping tires on my JD LA130, going from a 22x9.5x12 Carlisle Turf Saver to a 23x8.5x12 lug (Carlisle Power Trac, IIRC). I went with the 8.5 wide instead of the 10.5 because the LA130 only comes with a 7" rim. Things are sufficiently dry around the house (and thus the dirt is hard enough that the lugs don't bite in) now that it's difficult to compare the results, but the traction going up slopes does seem a bit better. We'll see how it does down towards the other end of the hill where it's softer ground this weekend...

I'm not an expert (so if anybody who knows more than I disagrees, please feel free to educate me!), but from what I gather reading this and other forums, as well as the specs from the transaxle manufacturers, for a true garden tractor (or larger) I wouldn't worry excessively about the exact diameter of the tire, as the difference in torque-to-thrust ratio going from a 23" to a 24" diameter is only about 5 percent (with - assuming no loss of traction - the smaller tire producing more thrust, as the lever arm is less).

Hydrostatic lawn tractors when over-stressed suffer an overheating problem (leading to hydrostatic pump and/or motor failure as the the oil breaks down and allows metal-to-metal contact), and putting larger or "stickier" tires on one will increase the load factor on the transmission; so caution must be exercised when doing so. I do expect to have to replace the K46 in my LA130 with a K66 when it does wear out (and when I've got it apart, I'm gonna' weld on some additional steel to the frame to handle the additional forces, and add some extra mounting points for stuff... and maybe an aux hydraulic pump, too).

speakerman0320
05-21-2008, 11:24 PM
hI Garry;
I have the carlisle Tru Power 23x10.50-12.I love them I think they are graet for year round.I was going ti get extra wheels allso but have not want turf tires sence the ag work so much better.I here in the hills and my yard is full of them.I go wright up the hill now where before I would get stuck and spin up the place.I never mow if the grass is wet.I have a 1988 1210 Hydo It has a new 14 Hp,Fifty"deck.I now thinging about the tri ribed front tire next.The just look cool more like real tractor tires.
Speakerman 0320 North Carolina