1610D finally done

[mark777]

It took me an extra week but it's finished. Turned out ok. I will include a few pictures. Hope you like them.

Mark

[CatDaddy]

Wow! :congrats: :congrats:

That looks GREAT!

[Tvern13]

Hey Mark,

Beautiful 1610D. Great job. :fing32: One of these days I'm going to scrape up the money for a 1510D. I think it would be the perfect tractor for my place.

[drbailey]

:congrats: That looks shinny new , You are way above good . Is that one a keeper or a unit for sale ? :hatsoff:

[mark777]

Thanks guys. I really wish I could keep this one but....

I have other tractors, and even another tractor with loader but I dont have one like this: 4X4, shuttle shift and FEL. So should quit being attached and sell her.

I have a few more pix if you like?

[mark777]

Hey Mark,

Beautiful 1610D. Great job. :fing32: One of these days I'm going to scrape up the money for a 1510D. I think it would be the perfect tractor for my place.

I believe the 1510D is the twin to this one, less 1 HP on the PTO. You gotta love that shuttle shift, and all those rumors about it being bullet proof are true. I just ordered a water pump for a 1510D and it is the same PN#, price and identical to this tractor.

Mark

[Durwood]

Mark ,great pictures! :fing32: Do you buy new tires or are they usually in good shape? I always wondered because i bet they would be expensive to replace.

Dur

[mark777]

Durwood, Thanks..

I buy new tires for the front ($120 a set) and replace the rears with the best used rice tire available if necessary. But those suckers are tough and last for years.

Mark

[Ingersoll444]

Vary nice Mark, You sure do great work!!

So whats the next project?:D anything waiting in the wings?

[Tvern13]

Mark,

I thought the 1510D was a little bit smaller lengthwise than the 1610D? I've seen some pictures of your work at other sites. I don't think there's any finer compliment to your work than when a competitor posts pictures of your work at a website they sponser. :congrats: I like that color scheme you use with the red over dark blue. Is the 1510D capable of running a post hole digger?

[mark777]

Again, Thanks.

The mechanical relationship between the Yanmar and John Deere keeps me buying the YM Models.

But, I have had my eye on a small diesel Ford with BB and FEL for two years. It is totally neglected and overgrown with 6' weeds in the front yard of a person down the road. And for the last two years, I have patrolled the area, left messages taped to his mail box and talked with neighbors. I have yet to catch him at home or hear anything back.

I would also like an "N" but they are either too far gone (missing pieces-locked up etc.) or way overpriced for the ones that just run ok. They are still in high demand and people don't part with good ones.

And I need to paint something blue...just for Durwood :).

Mark

[Durwood]

Mark, I always thought the 1610 and 1510 were 2 cylinder diesels. The 3 i'm assuming would be much quieter and smoother. Yep, if you got that lttle Ford you would have a pretty blue. :fing32:

Dur

[Tvern13]

Durwood,

From my understanding they are both 3 cylinders. Been after the wife to let buy one for years and that is one of the reasons I had focused on the 1510D. 3 cylinder, 4WD with Powershift.

[mark777]

Durwood,

From my understanding they are both 3 cylinders. Been after the wife to let buy one for years and that is one of the reasons I had focused on the 1510D. 3 cylinder, 4WD with Powershift.

Here is a 1510 block diagram....almost identical to the 1610. Very smooth, quiet and powerful for it's size and weight.

I hope you get one :).

Mark

[mark777]

Tvern 13,

Sorry I missed that post...the stub frame (or core support) for both tractors are 34" but the whell base on the 1510 is 7" shorter than the 1610....I think (?). Pretty sure anyway.

Oh yeh...I have never owned a PHD, but if a 1401 can run a 4' bush hog in tall grass/weeds for hours on end, and never skip a beat or temp rise above normal....I can't imagine why a 1501 (15 PTO HP) couldn't handle a post hole digger. You'd just have to make sure your gear is set at 1st or 588 rpm - equal to 540 pto speed American style.

Mark

[USN_ED]

Mark -

Have you ever done business with Best-Used-Tractors? They are an outfit up in Oregon and a friend of mine who moved here is looking for a used Yanmar and someone recommended them.

Anyway, very nice looking tractor. You said you had other tractors. Do you buy them in bulk from importers?

[mark777]

Hey USN ED,

Best Used Tractors (B.U.T)? Well...sort of. I'll try to explain: The gentleman I used to split container costs with ( I paid the lion's share) after a long while, decided to go with new SouthPro (Jinma). Now I paid a premium just to stick with one brand...Yanmar. The containers are loaded with several makes and models..so specific brands demanded a little more money. I bought the last of his inventory, six units, with a warranty. One of the units had a crack in the hydraulic resevoir and I contacted him immediately.

Apparently those six came from Best used tractors, and he refered me to them (Rick McClain). I contacted them several times by phone and e-mail, got nothing but a run around and no satisfaction. I purchased a replacemnet hydraulic case ($720.) and did the repairs myself.

I have found that there are a chain of franchised owners, who participate with B.U.T.s and share in the expenses of advertising, network referrals and website maintenance. And their tractors are more expensive than just about anyone out there.

Your friend may want to check with "Daves Tractors" in Red Bluff, CA. He is in the top ten list of dealers nation wide and top five with customer satisfaction. Plus the man really, really knows Yanmars and grey market tractors. And very reasonable on the price of tractors and implements.

Hope this helps, Mark

[USN_ED]

Mark -

Thanks for the reply. Sorry I couldn't answer sooner but my ISP's Dial-Up has been on and off all day.

I'll tell my friend to stay away from Best-Used-Tractors.

We will definitely look into "Daves Tractors". Hell, my wife has family in Red Bluff, Ca and we've been there several times. It is only 175 miles from us. Funny how you can go somewhere over the span of a few years and not realize all the resources in that area.

Once again - great job on the tractor. I'll make it a habit to look in on that area of the forum to see what you're up to in the future.

[Durwood]

I tell you what would be neat Mark, is for you to document your next Yanmar with pics thru the whole process. Start off with what the tractor looks like when you get it and then detail everything you do to it as you go along. I think people will be amazed at just how much work you put into them. I have said it before that no one redoes a tractor like you and it would be cool for us to see it as it happens. :fing32:

Dur

[mark777]

Thanks for the kind words...Next one, I'll try. And there are some people that do beautiful work (at least as good as mine). I was looking at a Red, white and green YM picture a dealer sent me.....WOW! Everything new, used or rebuilt and repainted. It was exceptional.

Mark

[jodyand]

:congrats: Great job Mark you are a great restorer :congrats: :fing32:

[mark777]

Thanks Jody.....

Truth is anyone can do this. I have seen some first attempts (tractors) that were every bit as good as anything I have done. After 35 years of doing this proffesionally, all the procedures for restoration work hasn't changed in the slightest....except for paint and related chemistry. It just takes some basic tools and an air compressor, a little patients and the results are very rewarding.

I have, and will, help anyone that expresses an interest in redoing their project...but then that seems to be true with most of the members here :).

Regards, Mark

[mark777]

Parting shots...just wanted to show it off before I delivered it. I have one left (1610D) and I hope it turns out as nice as the one just sold. Thanks for following along and all the nice compliments.

Regards, Mark

[jodyand]

I hate to see it go so i know you do. As much work as you put in them and the way they turn out i know you hate to see them go. But you have to sell them so you can do it again :fing32: Again a very fine job you did on it and I'm sure the new owner will like it. :fing32: :hatsoff: Be sure and tell him about us just in case he wants to tell us how his new old tractor is doing.

[Durwood]

I think you are gonna make someone real happy Mark when you pull up in the driveway with it. :fing32: That has to be a real feeling of accomplishment when you sell one i bet. I know when i worked in construction there was always a good feeling after completeing a house and seeing the owners all happy to move in.

EDIT- Hey Mark , just curious on a couple of things. Do you know the weight of the tractor with and without the FEL and what is the width of the tractor outside the rear wheels?

Thanks,
Dur

[mark777]

Hey Durwood,

1609 lbs. We figure (closely) the rams, pins, controller, hoses-fittings, bucket and steel weighs in approx 330 lbs. 1939 lbs. Just under a ton....which is where I'd like to keep them until I entertain the idea of buying the cetified ROPs/belts for the series 5 grey market tractors (20-26 HP.) which I understand now will cost $7-8 hundred less freight.

The wheel width in stock position is 44" and when staggered (reversed) an additional 5" per side, or 54" total width. It does not seem like much width but the tractor is only 103" long (bumper to rear fender)....excluding the loader, bucket and box blade of course.

I don't know if you remember or not, but we built a test set ROPs and it was engineered quite well. For endover and side roll over it more that met our expectations. But there's and old saying that floats from forum to forum: It cost $10,300 for a single set of ROPs. $300 for the materials and $10K for the liability insurance. It's true, a real Catch 22. (1)-If you build and install ROPs and seat belts you are liable from the most severe bodily injury, right down to broken finger nails.
(2)-If you build a ROPs but call it a heavy duty canopy support (hey..everybody likes shade from the hot sun or rain...right?) AND seat belts.....your liable.
(3)-If you build and install a ROPs like structure as a canopy support with out seatbelts, then you have engineered a perfect death trap....so no ROPs is better legally than anything above your head shy of an umbrella. Sorry for the rant...after a year or so, I finally gave them to a gent that wanted a drag line and weights for his pasture.

Regards, Mark

[Durwood]

I'm gonna revive this thread because i have a question to ask Mark. Have you ever built your own FEL and what would your guess be on how much just the materials would cost. I see some dealers are wanting almost $3000.00 for just a regular size fel for just a cut size tractor and that seems like way to much...but what do i know. :bonk: Coldwater tractors is selling theres for a more realistic $1500.00. Any opinions on this? ...Mark, Ernie, or anyone else?

Dur

[Mickey]

Dur, when I bought my CUT from Ernie it came with a Koyker 155 FEL. With the tractor the loader amounted to $2500, mounted.

The Koyker comes with a quick disconnect mount and single lever controls.

[mark777]

Durwood,

My honest opinion:

MATERIALS -
3/12/05 prices indicated that we could build a single loader for $578.00. Those prices included the loader control valve, 2 - 1 1/2" rams, 1 - 2" ram, all hydraulic hoses & fittings, grade 8 pins, hitch pins, nuts, bolts and related hardware, including round seamless critical (ID) tubing and 2" x 4" box tubing steel and a 42" bucket.... Not bad huh??

TOOLING -
High duty cycle MIG welder (I have a Miller 210)
Horizontal band saw capable of wide miter cuts (for loader arm angles)
Good drill press with up to 1 1/4" bits or hole saws for drilling critical axis points
Oxy Acetylene torch or plasma cutter for all gussets, flanges and base mount hardware
Table jig to duplicate multiple welds consistently to match identical, repetitive pieces
Good compressor for air powered grinders, sanders and painting equipment
And many hand and power tools...Getting kind of pricey now...but still very do-able.

TIME / LABOR -

Two people + 44 hours to build and install (1). Much less hours to build and install several.

Finally, the legal recourse. Even if you built the loader for yourself...If you ever sold the tractor / loader, you are apparently liable for ever. The costs of materials to manufacture and install are relatively low, but the liabilities make major manufactured FEL's more appealing.

I would not discourage anyone from doing it...We still discuss the possibilities of manufacturing (our own) as we have all the tools and equipment necessary.

Regards, Mark

[Durwood]

Durwood,

My honest opinion:

MATERIALS -
3/12/05 prices indicated that we could build a single loader for $578.00. Those prices included the loader control valve, 2 - 1 1/2" rams, 1 - 2" ram, all hydraulic hoses & fittings, grade 8 pins, hitch pins, nuts, bolts and related hardware, including round seamless critical (ID) tubing and 2" x 4" box tubing steel and a 42" bucket.... Not bad huh??

TOOLING -
High duty cycle MIG welder (I have a Miller 210)
Horizontal band saw capable of wide miter cuts (for loader arm angles)
Good drill press with up to 1 1/4" bits or hole saws for drilling critical axis points
Oxy Acetylene torch or plasma cutter for all gussets, flanges and base mount hardware
Table jig to duplicate multiple welds consistently to match identical, repetitive pieces
Good compressor for air powered grinders, sanders and painting equipment
And many hand and power tools...Getting kind of pricey now...but still very do-able.

TIME / LABOR -

Two people + 44 hours to build and install (1). Much less hours to build and install several.

Finally, the legal recourse. Even if you built the loader for yourself...If you ever sold the tractor / loader, you are apparently liable for ever. The costs of materials to manufacture and install are relatively low, but the liabilities make major manufactured FEL's more appealing.

I would not discourage anyone from doing it...We still discuss the possibilities of manufacturing (our own) as we have all the tools and equipment necessary.

Regards, Mark

I guess i should have made myself clearer that i didn't think it was the dealer who was making the big profit, but the company that made them. But i forgot about the "lawsuit" part of it Mark. I guess everything made today has to have it's price inflated enough to cover the lawsuits. Thanks for the info Mark.

Dur

[mark777]

Dur,

After re-reading my reply, it kind of sounded snotty...I hope it wasn't interpreted that way.

My attitude is such that the deck is stacked against the little guy manufacturer. Without ISO rating, UL testing and adequate insurance for deep pocket liability protection, your $1.00 items now retail for $2.50.

I would never file suit against McDonalds for hot coffee landing in my lap...but if I received grave bodily injury - life altering circumstances, from a design flaw overlooked in a product, then I would seek legal council to protect my family, financial and medical obligations and projected future losses. There is no other way.

***edit***I believe a dealer may make less than 20% net. Wholesale prices, freight and labor to install eat the majority of profit.

Mark

[Durwood]

No Mark, it wasn't taken as being snotty. I guess with the lawyers sueing everyone they can we will never see anything as cheap as it should be. What amazes me is what the judges allow for settlements. :fing20:

Dur

[MowHoward2210]

Thanks for reviving the thread Duwood. This gives those that missed it and the newer members a chance to see first rate restoration by one of our members, mark777. Excellent work Mark! :fing32: :fing32:

[mark777]

Thanks Mow.

My shop sits empty...everything is done. Currently looking for another project for winter. Maybe something very different this time, like a Kei class mini truck. If I could just find one with a diesel engine...:)

Mark

[Mickey]

If you do pick-up and delivery, I got a project for you. :hide: Would be more than willing to keep you hydrated with your favorate while doing the job. ROF Getting too cool and damp around here. I'm wanting to paint the sheet metal on the CUT and Tx would be a better place weather wise.

Don't think you'll find a diesel kei class truck. Why the need? Recently Ernie told me he is still working on the original tank of gas in his and he has had it more than a yr.