Ag tires...

[Bohica]

I would like some ag tires for my Bota' any suggestions on where to get a look at em online? Rear = 23x10.50 - 12 Front = 16x7.50 - 8 thanks!

Slam

[Tvern13]

Slammer,

Cedar Rapids Tire.

http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/

[Archdean]

I would like some ag tires for my Bota' any suggestions on where to get a look at em online? Rear = 23x10.50 - 12 Front = 16x7.50 - 8 thanks!

Slam

Yes (more aggressive at least) BUT I want to know why first!

While your thinking about that my friend look at a thread I posted RE:
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=1529

Traction is primarily a function of weight transmitted to the surface and encompasses a big trade off in the residual damage done to the surface by ag/aggressive tires!!

[Bruceman]

Try these
http://www.carlisletire.com/
http://www.titanstore.com/store/agricultural.html
http://www.tirefactory.com/nankang.htm
http://shop.cedarrapidstire.com/index.asp

Bruce L~

[simple_john]

i got mine at cedarrapids too... they had the best price on the 6 ply ags.... i think the 4 ply ags were a few bucks cheaper at tiresunlimited.com

[Bohica]

Yes (more aggressive at least) BUT I want to know why first!

While your thinking about that my friend look at a thread I posted RE:
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=1529

Traction is primarily a function of weight transmitted to the surface and encompasses a big trade off in the residual damage done to the surface by ag/aggressive tires!!

Because they look great! And of course for this winter....:D

Slam

[DYT4000]

Slammer,

Cedar Rapids Tire.

http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/

That's where I got mine! Quickly shipped!

[Ingersoll444]

My front AG's I got at a local place I deal with at work, the rears I got through Tucker Tire. The have an ebay store set up, and have some of the best prices. There noname brands, but the ones I got are Awsome!!.

[911radioman]

Dean, your statement is not entirely accurate. Yes, traction is enhanced by weight, but also there has to be decent tread to get a bite as well. My ag tires have done less damage to my turf than turf style tires. And that is with those ag tires loaded with fluid.

I would never go back to a turf style rear tire after running bar treads. Even in the wet springtime when my ground tends to hold quite a bit of moisture, my tires leave no tracks and no turf damage whatsoever.

I know I'm not the only one who has experienced that as I have read numerous other accounts where the same things I state have been confirmed. Might want to rethink that theory, Dean.

[Tvern13]

I would have to agree with radioman. Have only had mine a short time but I have mowed with them twice. Here's my experience so far. I have had zero problems with them tearing up the ground even with my weight box on unless I am yanking on something and spin the tires. In fact have tore up the ground less than the turf tires. Those things would spin if the ground was damp. I have ruts in several place where the ground is soft from the turfs. I have driven right over these ruts with the ags and no problems so far.

[professor]

My buddy got the AGs locally for 50 each - mounted, so you might want to look around before you send for them. They are True-Powers.

Mike

[simple_john]

to be honest.. for regular lawn cutting..
my AG's have torn my lawn up in a few various spots.. mostly corners or where i end up turning a lot... but i still think they are great to look at.. and for going through rough areas... the AG's do great...


for winter i still go to the turfs/chains...

[Michael]

OK guys a friend has a Yanmar with the 22" rice tires and is looking for a good source for a set of regular ags for his tractor, anybody know where he can a set as most places do not have this size.

[sixchows]

Michael
Most AG's seem to be a little lower maybe a 23" would workout to the same overall height? I realize it would mean having them mounted on an extra pair of rims but then he could switch back if he needed.

[Archdean]

Let's do a little physics here ok?

With a turf type tire IE. and with a footprint perhaps 12x12 it is able to spread the weight of the tractor over an area that is much less damaging to to root structure of your grass, Pounds per square inch!!

With and ag type tire you are concentrating the same weight on two or three ribs and generally a narrower tread width which puts even more weight on the root structure (PSI)!!

No I don't want to rethink my advice ! I would much rather see you ad weight to rim/tire that can distribute the weight more evenly with a turf type tire rather then damagining the root structure as I just should you how an AG type tire does !!

[dirtybernie]

thats a good piece of info dean. :fing32:

[Ingersoll444]

That is true Dean. I know in my use, and others I have heard of the big problem has been the damange caused but the turfs spinning on the grass. No doupt the turfs would be best if they dont spin. In my yard, what ever damange the AG's cause, and as of yet, I have not seen any marks, it is less then my old turfs did. Granted I have hills, ruts, and mucky spots that maybe a lot of people dont have. So in my use anyway, the trade off[and there are ALWAYS tradoffs with tires] are worth using the AG's. As they say YMMV

[Archdean]

That is true Dean. I know in my use, and others I have heard of the big problem has been the damange caused but the turfs spinning on the grass. No doupt the turfs would be best if they dont spin. In my yard, what ever damange the AG's cause, and as of yet, I have not seen any marks, it is less then my old turfs did. Granted I have hills, ruts, and mucky spots that maybe a lot of people dont have. So in my use anyway, the trade off[and there are ALWAYS tradoffs with tires] are worth using the AG's. As they say YMMV

The damage that you see a turf tire cause is superficial and can be corrected by adding weight ! The damage caused by an ag tire on grasses is not superficial and will be seen later!! Take your pick!!

[chipmaker]

When I lived up north, I never bought snow tires for my vehicles, did carry a set of chains, and made sure I had good regular tread tires come winter, all I did wa add extra weight and they did just fine..........

I have to agree with Dean though. I had seriously thought about getting AG's for my JD after getting stuck numerous times. I just added more weight to the machine and it worked fine. The way I look at it now, is I use my machine mainly for cutting grass and light brush, and if the ground is so wet that I get stuck, then its not the right time to be trying to cut that grass anyhow, so let it dry out, and hit it when its dried up. Even in wet mucky conditions AG's are leave leave ruts, more so the front tires will leave even worse marks being narrower, but I htink more rubber on the ground, and weight did just fine for me for my use. Of course everyones view i different and every situation is different, but to me now, AG's are for that extra boost when you have a fully loaded down machine with a heavy load and working soil that is probably already loose and already worked, more so than mnore traction in muddy terrains just to be able to cut grass. With less rubber or foot print, and more weight being concentrated on the bars it packs dirt etc keeping the tire from spinning.....So a few extra pounds when needed saved me a $1XX in money spent just to cut grass when it is wet. Perhaps when these turf donuts wear out, I may get AG types then, but not just to get AG types to cut wet grass.

[Ingersoll444]

Well I think one of the things is wether you use your tractor for just cutting grass, or other uses also. With mine just cutting grass, when I moved to using wheel weights, it did help. Still spun a little but mostly in the worst places. Heck some of that was eaven with my splitter hanging off the end, and that was better also, but thats like 200lbs hanging 5feet off the back:D Where I had my big problem was the tractors other uses. Plowing, hauling, raking etc. Where I was in the woods, in the muck, or in deep snow. Agean every tire has its trade off, and every useer expects diferent things from there tractors, but for me, and what I do, the AG's have been great. Now also take into accont that I DID wait till the turfs were no good before changing them. Would I put them on a new mower that is used just for grass mowing? No I would probably stick with the turfs.

[Tvern13]

Dean,

Come on down to Louisiana and take a ride through some gumbo mud. Watch those turfs load up and start spinning. If you can add enough weight to stop that I'll make you a nice wooden cross for where your tractor sank. Different applications for different conditions. You would't put a racing slick on a car up North to ride through snow in the winter. I can only tell you what I see given the conditions I am used to. The damage to my yard from turfs wasn't superficial. When the turf tires start spinning and I end up in 6-10" ruts or the tractor is bogged down to the frame, I wouldn't call that superficial. I am less worried about soil compaction I'm worried about ruts and having to pull my tractor out with my truck. I think what was said earlier is valid. Tires are a compromise. You have to look at the conditions you are operating in and make a choice based on this. What may work for you may not work for others.

Michael,

Have him check out http://www.hoyetractor.com/. Another option I've seen done with Yanmars is to have custom rims made to use more easily available turf tires. Be sure if it is a 4WD that he maintains the same rolling circumference or he will damage the front drive train.

[911radioman]

If I were merely mowing grass and that's all my tractor were being used for then yes, I'd probably stay with turf tires. However, turfs are not as suited for ground engagement without the use of chains and additional ballast. For the type of ground I have, bar treads are the perfect compromise, as they do minimal damage to my turf, and have the aggressive component necessary to lug a plow through the ground without having to strap chains on.

[Archdean]

Dean,

Come on down to Louisiana and take a ride through some gumbo mud. Watch those turfs load up and start spinning. If you can add enough weight to stop that I'll make you a nice wooden cross for where your tractor sank. Different applications for different conditions. You would't put a racing slick on a car up North to ride through snow in the winter. I can only tell you what I see given the conditions I am used to. The damage to my yard from turfs wasn't superficial. When the turf tires start spinning and I end up in 6-10" ruts or the tractor is bogged down to the frame, I wouldn't call that superficial. I am less worried about soil compaction I'm worried about ruts and having to pull my tractor out with my truck. I think what was said earlier is valid. Tires are a compromise. You have to look at the conditions you are operating in and make a choice based on this. What may work for you may not work for others.

Michael,

Have him check out http://www.hoyetractor.com/. Another option I've seen done with Yanmars is to have custom rims made to use more easily available turf tires. Be sure if it is a 4WD that he maintains the same rolling circumference or he will damage the front drive train.

Here was the initial question:Ag tires...
I would like some ag tires for my Bota' any suggestions on where to get a look at em online? Rear = 23x10.50 - 12 Front = 16x7.50 - 8 thanks!

Slam"

Look at his avitar , he has a lawn tractor and real grass!! Thats what I responded to!!:banghead3 Perhaps you might make better use from a tracked vehicle!! MY satement stans on it's own merit for NORMAL turf applications!!

[jodyand]

Dean he also has hills and i think thats why he wants ag tires.

[Archdean]

Jody the reason I asked slam back at the start of the thread to tell me why he wanted them is: It will undoubtedly void his warranty on at least the transfer case and to point out to him what I said later on!

[Tvern13]

Dean,

Yes I use my tractor for other things besides mowing BUT I work 7 days on and 7 days off. I don't have the luxury many times of waiting for everything to dry up. When this happens I mow with my bagger off and discharge the clippings. I have to make a choice. Mow only part of the property and hope the rest doesn't get out of hand or make a compromise FOR MOWING and find a way to get enough traction to mow it all. If it also helps get the other tasks done great. As for a tracked vehicle - not necessary the Ags work just fine and a skid steer would cause even more soil compaction and turf destruction. For me this IS NORMAL turf application. Like I said before - Different strokes for different folks.

[Greg]

Jody the reason I asked slam back at the start of the thread to tell me why he wanted them is: It will undoubtedly void his warranty on at least the transfer case....

Now you post it...

Couldn't you have said that yesterday, even without a reply from Slam? Or even earlier today? Sheeesh! :fing20:

Greg

[Bohica]

Jody the reason I asked slam back at the start of the thread to tell me why he wanted them is: It will undoubtedly void his warranty on at least the transfer case and to point out to him what I said later on!


Nope. Won't affect the warranty at all. I could have ordered the tractor with bar treads. I took delivery with the standard turfs because I really just need AG's for the winter and the 4 times a season that I do the hillside field.

Slam

[Archdean]

Now you post it...

Couldn't you have said that yesterday, even without a reply from Slam? Or even earlier today? Sheeesh! :fing20:

Greg

I guess I missed your point I left at 4am this morning to deliver a 3 gang Brush Hog!! You want me to do what exactly now? Sheeesh!:fing20:

[ducati996]

Why would AG's front and rear void Slamm's warranty? I see plenty of 4wd AG tire machines on showroom floors....is this just for the GR2000-2100 series ??

This surprises the hell out of me to hear....I realize you have better info regarding Kubota, so I'll take it as fact...

Ducati

[Greg]

I guess I missed your point I left at 4am this morning to deliver a 3 gang Brush Hog!! You want me to do what exactly now? Sheeesh!:fing20:

The post you made...just an hour ago...right here...your 4th(?) today......

http://www.mytractorforum.com/showpost.php?p=26777&postcount=27

:bonk:

If that was your point, why didn't you just say so yesterday?

Greg

[Archdean]

Nope. Won't affect the warranty at all. I could have ordered the tractor with bar treads. I took delivery with the standard turfs because I really just need AG's for the winter and the 4 times a season that I do the hillside field.

Slam

I'll try to do both Duc's and slams in one reply!! A bar tread is not the same as an Luged aftermarket AG tire (which was not an option sanctioned by Kubota as I understand it!! As with all manufactures , if it is not a design approved from the git-go by the manufacture and you modify your warranted machine with an unauthorized modifcation you are in fact giving any manufacture a vaild option of refusing any warranty claim! And I know you all know that!!:trink39:

[Greg]

So Kubota says flatly, in writing, that if you put after market AG tires on your tractor, you void the tractor's warranty?

Greg

[911radioman]

:beatdeadh

[chipmaker]

I guess I missed your point I left at 4am this morning to deliver a 3 gang Brush Hog!! You want me to do what exactly now? Sheeesh!:fing20:

Wehn you delivered that 3 gang bush hog, do you use a tractor from the company to off load or was that the customers? HINT:......Depending on answer a loaded statement may be heading your way :hide: :trink40: