28 hours and problems with my Cub 6284.

[Brett-JD3320]

Well I will update this post as I know more. My 6284 now has 28 hours on
the clock and today the hydraulic system started acting odd. The FEL is going
up and down jerky and the Cat1 Hitch is going up slow. I checked the fluid
level and it's where it should be.

There are two auxiliary pumps that run the FEL/Three Point and Power
Steering system. I am willing to bet I just lost a pump (at 28 hours...) If this
is the shape of thigngs to come then this machine will be up for sale right
quick and I will go buy something else.

I guess the motor is the best part of this machine...

I will let you know what I find out after the dealer takes it in the shop! This
is the second problem so far, the first problem was a busted hydraulic line on
the backhoe and I can overlook a busted hose (it was defective) but if I am
going to have problems with the hydraulics then there is no sense in owning
this machine.

Nothing like spending almost $24 grand and having problems!

[jodyand]

Sounds like you may have air in the system. Hope thats all it is anyway hate to hear you are having problems with it.

[bontai Joe]

I hope Jody is right in that air got in maybe during the hose repair. I'll keep a good thought for you, and hope it's a simple fix. I'll share a story of my Dodge Dakota that I bought new in Dec, 1990. Had several rather small problems with it from the start. Took it in for warantee work 11 times in the first 11,000 miles, and then it settled down to be a very reliable trouble free truck, Got 1/4 million miles on it now. I just needed to be patient enough to get through it.

[Brett-JD3320]

Joe,

I am not sure if I want to be patient or not. I am not dedicated to this brand and could
just as easily sell it and move on. I bought this Cub over the Kubota I was strongly
considering because I felt this was a better machine (build wise and spec wise) and
the dealer is without a doubt one of the best in the biz.

I know the dealer will make it right, I just don't want to have down time every time I
need to use the machine.

It could be something minor (hope) I will let you know.. I am not going to sugar coat
it that's for sure! :)

[Michael]

A fairly common problem is the filter or screen is plugged, New machines have this fairly often, after all a new machine has new parts that need to wear in and they will shed a some fine metal and the filters and screens are doing what they are designed to do.


Since the tractor is going into the dealer I would be patient and see what it is that is causing the problems.

[Brett-JD3320]

Michael,

I agree and understand, that's why I am going to wait and see what the verdict is. If
it's nothing more than a plugged up filter that is understandable. I am just hoping it's
not a shot aux hydraulic pump.

I will update this thread as I have more info and I will also add this to my review thread
so that anyone looking for a new machine will have solid advice to go on.

FWIW I still love the machine.... I just don't want to have future problems with anything
no matter who makes it! :)

[Jim_WV]

Sorry to hear that Brett, hope it's just air or the filters as mentioned, and having a good dealer like you got, I'm sure he will make it right for ya. :coffee:

[Brett-JD3320]

Jim,

I know my dealer will make it right he is fantastic. Called him this morning and they just
came and took the tractor about fourty minutes ago. They don't mess around!

I told him I am starting to regret the purchase and hoping I won't have future problems
and he assured me he will get any bugs worked out!

I will update as to what the cause of the problem is as soon as I know more.

[MowHoward2210]

I'd let the dealer make it right. I know it is aggravating right now, but it will probably end up being a fine machine. You've just made a good case for the importance of having a good dealer. Hope things get straightened out.

[pigsitter]

As long as you have warranty and your dealer is happy to make you happy I'd ride it out!!There's only so much testing they can do while a machine is coming down the line and it might take a bit to get the bugs out.I know it's got to be aggravating to tie that much cash up only to have problems but it sounds like you've got a 1st class dealer so hang tight and see what he can do!! :goodl: :fing32:

[Brett-JD3320]

Called the dealer today and they have the tractor ready to come back for me with
exception of a spring that was missing on my PTO reverse interlock override. I told them
just keep it in the shop till the spring comes in. No sense making a special trip to my
house to put the spring in a couple days after they drop the tractor back off to me.

He said the hydraulic filters were plugged with break in debris. He flushed the hydro
system and put new filters on and it's good to go.

Hopefully I don't run into future problems with debris in the fluid because it gets quite
expensive to replace $25.00 worth of filters plus six gallons of fluid.

[Jim_WV]

Thanks for the update Brett, was curious as to what they would find, and it sounds like your dealer is treating you right and taking care of it for ya. Since the filters are changed now and got the break-in debris out, should'nt have that worry anymore. You got enough hours on it yet that the break in oil needs changed too or has that been done already ?.

[Brett-JD3320]

Jim,

One thing I would never do is say anything contrary about my dealer. They have and
continue to treat me like gold and that makes all the difference in the world, all brands
aside.


Honestly I think the debris might have been a chunk of dirt when they came out and
changed the backhoe hose that busted a few weeks ago at the ferrule. The hose was
so hard to snake through the boom and I think along the way it got dirt in the end of
the hose. They should have taped the end of the hose shut but hindsight is 20/20.

My breakin oil is supposed to be changed at 25Hours I have 28 on it now and I had
planned on changing it the day it acted up. So as soon as I get it back in the garage
I am changing out the oil and filter (which they included when I bought the tractor and
that was $60 worth of supplies).

[7275Guy]

Hopefully I don't run into future problems with debris in the fluid because it gets quite
expensive to replace $25.00 worth of filters plus six gallons of fluid.

I WISH my filters only cost $25. I have a Cub 7275 (27HP) and the two hydraulic filters cost $82!!!!!!

[Brett-JD3320]

Yeesh! Mitsubishi?

He sells these one's for $9.99 and tax I beleive (at least that's what the oil filter
costs. I assumed the hydro filters were the same price I could be wrong!).

[neil_nassauequipment]

Sounds like you have it cleared up Brett....
That basic tractor frame/drivetrain has been around awhile (2001) with different air-cooled & liquid cooled gas,and diesel engines.Its been a good unit for us. One is a landscaper (the size lets him get in tight areas) that has over 500 HARD hours of dirt work.
The drive train has been improved in minor details over the model run and the hydraulics have been very reliable. Cub uses high quality pumps for the system and problems usually do relate to fluid levels, filters and debris.
That said...........on any piece of equipment....an actual defect will usually make itself known fairly quickly. Glad to hear your problem was solved. :fing32:

[Brett-JD3320]

Neil,

That is a releif to hear. I have studied the exploded diagrams for hours and to me it
looks like a very well designed transmission/hydrostat and I don't see any reasons why
I would have lingering issues.

One complaint I DO have (and one that MTD SHOULD address) is that the lower filter
for the main Hydrostat Pump is in an absolutely terrible location! Since you can use
this machine with an FEL and Backhoe it makes no sense to have the filter positioned
where it is. I am going to make a 1/4" thick steel sheild to protect the bottom side of
said filter for when I am using the Backhoe and FEL. Mowing grass it would never be
an issue.

On a positive note they delivered the tractor back to me today and all is well! It is
performing like it was before the problem with no weird noises or any bugs in the hydraulic
system.

They also fixed my swaying three point hitch (I obviously had the sway links installed
incorrectly) and they fixed the non functioning PTO Reverse Overide switch.

My dealer so ROCKS! :)

[Kbeitz]

It couild have been parts of the bad hose that got into your system that plugged you filter...

[Michael]

At least I was on the right track when I suspected a plugged filter. Now remember what it felt like when it started to act up for you so you will know that the filters are getting pluged up. That way you can change them out before they act up on you. Now it is time to get back to seat time....:thThumbsU

[Brett-JD3320]

Michael,

I should have known it was getting plugged up. I did notice a pitch change in the
sound of the Hydro system (I am always on the "listen" to all my vehicles) I just
thought perhaps it was breaking in.. :) That sound is duly noted in my mind and if I
hear it again I know what to do! :)

Kbeitz,

The old hose actually pulled out (cleanly) from the ferrule. It was a bad crimp job by
whomever made the hose. There wouldn't have been anything left in the system. I
seriously think it happened when the dealers field mechanic installed the new hose,
because he went to go tighten the hose down and I said "WHOA" there was dirt on the
end of the hose! It happened when it was shoved through the boom (that end of the
hose should have been taped so that didn't happen).

No biggie, everyone makes a mistake here and there.. If that was the cause, the dealer
fixed it so it's no sweat to me.

Besides I am glad they changed the fluids and filters out.. I have ZERO dollars in the
engine oil and filter change (he gave me those supplies) and the Hydrostat is now taken
care of as well!