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Keweenaw4310
05-25-2005, 09:28 AM
It's been slow going getting our 4th bedroom finished off. It sat for 3 years in the gutted state that it's in because I knew it would be a PITA to get straightened out.

Needed floor straighted and supported properly.
Beams put in down center of floor and along ouside wall.
Roof support gutted out from bottom and replaced by good 12" trusses.
Dormer framed up and supported properly.

Here are some pictures from last night:
Floor Joist Installation (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/floor/floor.html)

Other pictures that I've taken in there through the process:


Gutting the old roof support and insulation cleanup (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/roof/remove.html)
Floor Support Beam (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/beam/beamsupport.html)
Installing New Roof Supports (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/roof2/roofsupport.html)
building new support for dormer outside wall and more roof support (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer/dormer1.html)

JDFANATIC
05-25-2005, 10:18 AM
keweenaw4310,

Looks like an interesting project. Keep sharing pics as you proceed.

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

chrpmaster
05-25-2005, 01:22 PM
Looks like your making good progress now. I helped my brother rip off the roof of his old house and rebuild the upstairs and I think the worst part was getting the old insulation out. The DPO had it blown into the ceilings before he added the roof so when we pulled down the ceilings we got "snowed in". What a miserable job!

Keep up the good work (and pics too!)

Andy

Jim_WV
05-25-2005, 11:34 PM
Wow great pics, looks like you made good use of the 4310 too, lucky to have that around and save some back labor :fing32:

jodyand
05-25-2005, 11:38 PM
You are a busy man :trink40: Looks good keep us posted.

dirtybernie
05-26-2005, 02:16 AM
hats off to you! nothing id want to mess with but at least your saving some$ bernie. :trink40:

Keweenaw4310
05-26-2005, 08:37 AM
It's kept me so busy, that I barely get a chance to check in with MTF these days. Once I get the project further along, I'll have more time to sit in my recliner with MTF up on my wireless laptop computer.

Thanks for all the positive comments. I will post more pics as I change things. With the floor joists complete, the decking and knee walls will be next. It should start taking shape quicker now that I've adapted all of my new working surfaces to the old crappy part of the house.

Keweenaw4310
05-27-2005, 08:15 AM
Pictures from the past couple of days.

Finish floor decking and work out venting (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/floor2/floor2.html)

The rigid insulation will allow for a 1 3/4" air flow space against the roof sheeting. It bridges the gap from above the porch to above this bedroom and onto a new section of roof that was vented properly already.

Argee
05-27-2005, 09:07 AM
It sounds well thought out. How far up did you extend the rigid insulation?

Keweenaw4310
05-27-2005, 09:20 AM
It sounds well thought out. How far up did you extend the rigid insulation?

It extends up above the support beam holding the I joists. It butts up against the proper venting which is holding the insulation in the next attic space up away from the roof sheeting. I can get up in that attic space and make a silicon seal on that bridge over if needed.

Argee
05-27-2005, 09:27 AM
As long as your letting outside air to flow unrestricted into the attic your fine. It was hard to tell in the pictures as to how far you were extending the rigid insulation. It appeared that you may have been extending it all the way up which isn't necessary.

simple_john
05-27-2005, 09:39 AM
:hatsoff: hats off to you tom...

looks like a good project and as bernie mentioned.. id never dare to tackle it.. but if you have the know how and the skills... great...
:congrats:

jodyand
05-27-2005, 09:59 AM
Looking good :fing02: What are those copper lines? AC or water lines an what are your plans for them?

Keweenaw4310
05-27-2005, 10:13 AM
The roof keeps going up and over the hallway and a room on the other side of the hallway, so to have the rigid insulation extend beyond this room is the way it should be. Gets the air flow into the next attic space where the flow is taken past the blown-in insulation in that area to just above the blow-in stuff. The air supply at the bottom comes from vented eaves.

The copper pipes are for baseboard heat to the next bedroom over. When I get my framing complete for this room, I'll redirect the heat around the dormer outside wall. This is a separate zone but I still couldn't remove it completely yet because the room that it feeds still calls for heat at night. I wrapped them in insulated foam which I continue to tear at and destroy with every phase of this project.

Carl
05-30-2005, 02:41 AM
What a tremendous job! Interesting to see it come together.

I see that you have a mixture of I joists and solid joists for the roof support. The way that you went about it shows that you really know what you are doing. So the question is why the mixture?

Keweenaw4310
06-02-2005, 12:07 AM
What a tremendous job! Interesting to see it come together.

I see that you have a mixture of I joists and solid joists for the roof support. The way that you went about it shows that you really know what you are doing. So the question is why the mixture?

The I Joists support the roof. The Solid joists - LVLs they're called - support the dormer. I have a bunch of pictures which will explain the detail. Just don't have them uploaded yet. I'm still buried in this project trying to get it covered before the rain this weekend.

Carl
06-02-2005, 01:03 AM
I know how that goes. I get on those projects, and I work til I drop. Don't want to pay the adverse consequences. Get the new stuff water tight, and then can set back to the tune of rain on the roof and enjoy a beer. Or just enjoy the sound of the rain.

Keweenaw4310
06-02-2005, 08:26 AM
Here's pictures of the dormer. I took the weekend off & then had to go to work on Tuesday but Tuesday night and Wednesday, I made some progress.

Rain is in the forecast for Saturday afternoon. Need to get this thing at least felt covered by then. I'm using the ice & water shield. Might just put it on the whole roof.

Today I plan to frame up the trusses.

Click here for pictures of the dormer framing (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer2/dormer2.html)

Carl
06-02-2005, 09:33 PM
I have been thinking of an addition on our house. Looking at a clear span of 20 foot. Have been looking at the Weyerheuser I joists vs the solid laminate joists. Both can handle the job, so what would be the advantage of the I joists? Are they significantly cheaper? Or are there other characteristics that they have that makes them beneficial for use?

Keweenaw4310
06-03-2005, 08:09 AM
... so what would be the advantage of the I joists? Are they significantly cheaper? Or are there other characteristics that they have that makes them beneficial for use?

The solid engineered lumber is nice for support beams and headers. They can handle stress down their entire lenght without additional reinforcement.

The I joists can handle a spread out load such as the load applied by floor or roof decking. If a wall passes directly under them, additional webbing support must be put in. Not a big deal, I did that for mine at the tops and bottoms.

One great feature of the I Joists.... You can put large enough holes in them to pass all plumbing and electrical and they are still strong! I have my 3" PVC + heating, electrical, supply lines going through the I Joists of out second floor. There are punchouts already pressed in that can be knocked out with a hammer. Those are big enough to use for wire. They don't always line up perfectly, so any piping will require drilling holes.

In summary, I joists & solid engineered lumber both have their place and purpose. The price of a piece of solid engineered lumber can be 2 1/2 times as much as the same sized I Joist.

Pictures of my 20' span on our addition using I Joists (http://www.bootjackmi.com/addition/thumb5.html)
Pictures of piping going through I Joists (http://www.bootjackmi.com/addition/thumb11.html)
More piping pictures (http://www.bootjackmi.com/addition/thumb12.html)

Keweenaw4310
06-03-2005, 08:10 AM
I completed the roof framing yesterday. Still didn't trim the tails yet.
Today I have some complicated compound miter cuts to make. Figured out how to make them last night at 10:00 then called it a night.

Click here for pictures of the roof framing (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer3/dormer3.html)

Keweenaw4310
06-06-2005, 09:19 AM
We didn't get rain until Sunday evening at 8:00. I worked right up until then finishing the preparation for large amounts of rain. It rained hard all night and not a leak.

Pictures of roof framing done - roofing & wall sheeting (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer4/dormer4.html)

JDFANATIC
06-06-2005, 09:54 AM
Very nice! In that first pic the framing looked huge! I was thinking why were you using 2x10's on a dormer, but the other pics put it into perspective. Also is that a copper cap on the ridge vent?

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

Mark / Ohio
06-07-2005, 12:10 AM
Really looking good Keweenaw! Your moving right along.

Archdean
06-07-2005, 12:37 AM
Nice work Tom, No green tomatoes there!!:trink39:

Keweenaw4310
06-07-2005, 07:52 PM
Very nice! In that first pic the framing looked huge! I was thinking why were you using 2x10's on a dormer, but the other pics put it into perspective. Also is that a copper cap on the ridge vent?

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

2 x 6 construction on everything except the 2 x 8 ridge board.

The cap is regular ridge cap for the Certainteed roofing I'm using. I think you saw a picture of the ridge vent before cap was on.

I had a few bundles left over from when we put on the addition. Turns out the new product I can buy now is bigger in size. Make a problem when trying to tie it into the old stuff. It's a couple of inches bigger in both directions. They switched to metric sizing.

MowHoward2210
06-07-2005, 08:27 PM
Nice work. It's all coming together very well it looks like. :fing32:

Keweenaw4310
06-08-2005, 08:41 AM
I finished waterproofing. Roofing is 100% complete.

Working on the venting now. Aluminum is easy to put up. Pouring rain plus my wife is very sick yesterday, so I didn't get much done.

My vacation time is about used up, so I won't be making as much progress now. At least I'm sealed off to the rain.

Pictures of waterproofing (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer5/waterproof.html)

Keweenaw4310
06-09-2005, 09:21 AM
Facia & Soffit pictures. The soffit went great. I had everything looking perfect until I got to the facia for the gable end. I'm not happy with the way the bottom cuts & bends went there. I may take it off and redo it.

Aluminum Soffit & Facia Install (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/dormer6/venting.html)

JDFANATIC
06-09-2005, 09:39 AM
Very nice. Now you're getting down to brass tacks. Probably no one will ever notice it, but...

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

Keweenaw4310
06-10-2005, 09:12 AM
Very nice. Now you're getting down to brass tacks. Probably no one will ever notice it, but...

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

...but it bothered me knowing that I could have done a better job on it, so I took the fascia off of the front gable end and cut some new pieces. This time the folds and cuts worked out excellent.

Keweenaw4310
06-16-2005, 09:59 AM
I'm putting the siding on hold a little while I finish the inside.

Did some work to separate the old section of the house with this new room, worked on ventilation with more rigid insulation & put in the rafter vents. Also started framing up an inside wall - for the closet.Pictures from this week's inside work. (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/walls1/framing.html)

Keweenaw4310
08-11-2005, 11:26 AM
I really dropped the ball on this project. Took a break from it sometime mid June and haven't touched it since. Locked the door so my 3 year old won't get in there and mess with my tools and have only gone in there a couple of times to look around in about 2 months.

Will need to get going on it soon though. Cold weather is just around the corner and I have to get the walls wired, insulated and covered with sheetrock before it becomes a heat chimney area of the house like it was last winter.

Actually since 2002, this area of the house has melted all the snow off of the roof right above it. My goal for this year is to have this be insulated like the rest of the house. Possibly even usable as a room by December.

Keweenaw4310
09-26-2005, 12:40 PM
The wiring for this room is pretty much set. I have 3 recessed light fixtures separated between 2 switches for the ceiling.

Closet and storeage areas will have LED lights which do not give of much heat. If they don't work out, I can always swap them out or cap the wiring in the boxes. For now, I provided switched outlets in the storage area behind the kneewall and in the closet.

This is the last room to be finished in the "old" part of the house, so many circuits come together in here. Many things changed with the plans for this room and the adjacent rooms over the past 3 years, so I had to do some rewiring and pulling back and redirecting of wires to get everything squared away for drywall in this room.

Keweenaw4310
09-30-2005, 09:47 AM
Finally some work getting done on this project again. Vacation from it is over.

----------------- Link to pictures of wiring / insulating and drywall -------------- (http://www.bootjackmi.com/bedroom4/insulate/pictures.html)

I have it almost completely insulated now. I finished the wiring and I'm working on hanging drywall now. Because of limitations to the size of the sheets that I can get up the stairs and into this room, I had to limit myself to 10' in length. Because of that I'm using mostly 8' sheets and running them up and down instead of sideways.

That's my son helping me with the wiring. He just turned 3. He actually can help with some things. He's good at pushing wire into a hole while I pull it from the other end. That helps with tight corners. He also likes to clean up after me - picks up nails, screws, wire scraps. Organizes the good stuff together and gets rid of whatever I tell him is garbage. He's the only one of my kids so far that actually looks forward to helping me with this kind of stuff.