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[drbailey]

I went to my JD dealer yesterday to pick up four suitcase weights for the 2210.
I should have gotten five. Five is what it has room for.
while I was there they said they ordered a counter weight box for a guy , he didnt pick it up. Now the box is for a smaller lawn tractor but I bought it anyway. it fit right on the 2210 and gave me a place to hang the weights.
It works , as far as a bucket full of rock, she don`t nose dive.
what do y`all think ? do you see any unforseen problem here?

[glenn27]

Looks clean, really nice---You "act" like a proud Papa!!!
Big thumbs up to you....
Oh-how much do ea. of those weigh?

[drbailey]

Glen 27 , I think they weigh 46 lbs.each
:Tractor2: I was about to kill everything in the yard and a corner of the house with the rear blade hangin back there.
the little set up works good.

[Keweenaw4310]

How many gallons can you get into the tires. I'd load them up with washer fluid or beet juice. You could get some cheep weight by doing that and it really makes the tractor hug the ground. The weight is nice and low.

[NFA Fun]

Ummm, beet juice?

[rkcr]

Is this stuff the beet stuff?
http://www.rimguard.biz/

[drbailey]

How many gallons can you get into the tires. I'd load them up with washer fluid or beet juice. You could get some cheep weight by doing that and it really makes the tractor hug the ground. The weight is nice and low.

Keweenaw,,, Is the post that rkcr made the beetjuice product you are referring to. I havn`t heard of it either . If this type of liquid would have been used in my 36 JD B , the wheels would still be on it. :thanku:

[glenn27]

That's the G O O D stuff.... :fing32:

[itsgottobegreen]

I would mount those weights so they are hanging off the front of the box inbetween the 3pt hitch. So they are out of the way hanging off the sides. Which means less things to hit when turning.

[LMTC]

Glen 27 , I think they weigh 46 lbs.each
:Tractor2: I was about to kill everything in the yard and a corner of the house with the rear blade hangin back there.
the little set up works good.
The standard compact tractor suitcase weight is 42#. I am pretty sure the JD is the same. Be cautious about how much weight you hang on each end. While 800# on the back may counterbalance a like weight on the front, both now put 1600# static (and more dynamic if the loader or 3 pt bounces) force on the fulcrum....which in this setup is right around your bell housing. I have seen compacts cracked in two from injudicious over-weighting, or more commonly the kinds of pressure applied with a 3 pt. backhoe. ;)

[drbailey]

LMTC , very interresting ,Breaking the tractor in the middle!!!!! :thanku: that didn`t even cross my mind . something to look into. One major thing I like about the MTF , I can get educated with out reading a book . I dont think I will ever have a backhoe on the 2210 , just the bucket , rear blade and bush hog.

[Carl]

That education is sure cheaper than the school of hard knocks. At least less costly than bolting the tractor middle back together!

[MowHoward2210]

Looks like a good setup, Doc. I think the ballast box will be plenty, especially if you load the tires with fluid, or have wheel weights like I have on mine. I use the suitcase weights up front when I run the Rotary Cutter. I mow some slopes in an old cattle pasture, and the 2210 tracks better with the added weight up front. The suitcase weights should mount right on to the front. I have a pin that mounts side to side on the front bracket behind the weights. I presses against the weights and keeps them from bouncing up and down. It's a little tricky getting the pin in, but I found the best way is to push the weights a little bit diagonally with your leg, and drive the pin in with a hammer.

[drbailey]

Mow , I ordered wheel weights last week . the cheaper ones. the plastic weights with sand in them . I guess they will weigh less than 100 lbs.
I worked today with the FEL , rock and sand. trying to build a patio at the front of my hose .
I also got the rod to slide in the breifcase weights ,
Today I didn`t have any weight on the rear , and the bucket full of white rock handled it real well.
I have 17 hours on the 2210 already , I think thats like haveing the help of 50 men.

[Ingersoll444]

You know, I used to hear about the compact trackers splitting a lot under back hoe weight, but have not heard about it for years. Is it a common thing? Or one of those things, you see once or twice, and the story gets spred around?

[MowHoward2210]

You know, I used to hear about the compact trackers splitting a lot under back hoe weight, but have not heard about it for years. Is it a common thing? Or one of those things, you see once or twice, and the story gets spred around?

I've heard that mentioned before too, Paul. In the case of the JD 2210, it has a 2 piece frame, and JD never offered an OEM backhoe for it. I think Woods offers a BH for it now. I kind of doubt if they would have put one out if they thought it would split the tractor.

[LMTC]

You know, I used to hear about the compact trackers splitting a lot under back hoe weight, but have not heard about it for years. Is it a common thing? Or one of those things, you see once or twice, and the story gets spred around?
I would say neither one...not "common" but certainly not urban legend. The primary risk is with aftermarket 3 pt hoes--no subframe to spread the force. Even a small hoe can generally exert more pressure than a small CUT can handle.

[Brett-JD3320]

Well let's put it this way....

My 6284 Cub has a hoe on it.. And it's NOT a three point. It comes with a complete
tubular steel frame that runs the length of the underside of the tractor and connects
via D-Ring pins at the FEL attatchment point plus it has two more pins at the very
back of the cast iron transmission (where the factory drawbar mount would be) plus
it has an adjustable link that pins to the top point of the three point hitch.

The Woods backhoe for this tractor also has a subframe that runs all the way up to
the FEL mounting point.

Yes I hazard to guess that a three point backhoe will split a "truck frame" tractor in
two... If it's a full cast iron engine, bell housing, transmission, rearend like the venerable
farm tractors then perhaps it might not, but the Hoe exerts a lot of pressure on a
machine even when properly stabilized.

Also on a three point mount the hoe can over tax the three point system causing it
to thrust upwards under pressure and kill the operator by smashing them between the
hoe and the ROPS.

Not Urban legends at all.

[Brett-JD3320]

Doc,

By the way.. That's one Gorgeous Deere! I looked at the same one..

[Brett-JD3320]

One other thing to consider about fluid weight is that nothing on the tractor has
to support that weight it's completely supported by the ground you run on. So aside
from more rolling load on the tractor you have no additional torsional load on the front
or rear.

If I need more weight on my cub (not likely at 1986Lbs sans any attatchments) I will
go the Rimguard route for sure.

[JDFANATIC]

DR,

The wheel weights are a good idea (I have RimGuard in mine which add ~ 110 lbs per tire). You will find this good for most "light" work. Whenever you go to do some heavy work, put that ballast box on. You say this box is a little smaller than the standard one, I would fill it with concrete (mine is the standard box and I have it filled with concrete). It is a lot of weight, but then, the 2210/210 is documented to lift 1170 lbs.

Keep the shiny side up!

[Brett-JD3320]

JDFan,

What is the weight of the 2210 sans the FEL or any add on weights or ballast?

I had a cub 7K series gas job at my place for a week loaned to me by the
dealer where I bought my 6000 series (they are the same frame they just
re-did thier number scheme when they came out with the 8000 series) at
any rate, the 7K was a 25 horse gas and had the FEL which is rated at 750
with an 1150 breakout and it had no weights on the back and I never felt
like I was going to tip forward with it (but I didn't drive around with a full
load placed high in the air).

How does the 2210 feel with a full bucket of dirt on the FEL without any
ballast at all?

I really looked hard at the 2210, sure is a beautiful machine and if Deere
made a hoe for it, it would be in my garage.