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: Aftermarket headlights? (MTD 608)


Stevereno
04-01-2011, 12:23 PM
My lawn tractor might as well have a couple of candlesticks mounted up front for as much light as the factory "headlights" put out.

Any recommendations for aftermarket lights that would do a decent job when I need the light?

TC25D
08-09-2011, 05:17 PM
I am in the same situation (different tractor), did you come up with a solution?

truckguy
08-09-2011, 09:10 PM
My MTD has headlights out of a newer cadillac (They were on a parts tractor I got). Its better then the original.

Rusty Dayton
08-13-2011, 11:22 AM
MTD round lights?

The 990 and others in that family have the 4 1/2" round lights. These are GE-4411 lamps. The body is generically know as a PAR36 which will lead to more options. Here is a couple links with a few I found, personally I like this one (http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/3017/PAR36-112019.html)

http://www.1000bulbs.com/category/par36-sealed-beam-flood-lights
http://www.buylighting.com/PAR36-Halogen-s/94.htm
http://www.ledtronics.com/Products/ProductsDetails.aspx?WP=349


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D-Dogg
08-13-2011, 12:03 PM
PAR-36 lamps allow for a lot of possibilities, including HID.

As for the bulk of the remaining tractors using 1156 lamps, there just isn't much. 1156 based LEDs just don't have the lumens and the light is too coherent to privide a good illumination. Go with a higher wattage incandescent 1156, and you risk melting the plastic lenses.

Chagrin
08-13-2011, 03:56 PM
PAR-36 lamps allow for a lot of possibilities, including HID.

As for the bulk of the remaining tractors using 1156 lamps, there just isn't much. 1156 based LEDs just don't have the lumens and the light is too coherent to privide a good illumination. Go with a higher wattage incandescent 1156, and you risk melting the plastic lenses.

There are kajillions of styles of 1156 LED bulbs. Suggesting that there are none that provide more light than an incandescent 1156 is absurd.

D-Dogg
08-13-2011, 04:34 PM
There are kajillions of styles of 1156 LED bulbs. Suggesting that there are none that provide more light than an incandescent 1156 is absurd.

Not to be argumentive, but please share your source for the LED bulbs which produce more light than an incandescent 1156 bulb.

I did some extensive research back when Mobile HID became an advertiser, and found them (LED bulbs) to be an immature technology.

A typical incandescent 1156 bulb drawing 29.5 watts produces around 402 lumens.

I came up with the brightest available 1156 based LED producing around 265 lumens at like 3 watts, I think.

On top of that, the members who have installed 1156 based LEDs in place of incandescents have failed to post any evidence they illuminate the area in front of the tractor as well as the incandescents. Sure LEDs when viewed from head on sure look brighter, but they don't do much from the seat of the tractor.

Maybe in a few years the technology will improve, and the bulbs will come with diffusers to exploit the reflectors into which the bulbs mount, but I just don't see them yet.

I do own several LED flashlights, and none of them are much good at night.

Chagrin
08-14-2011, 10:13 AM
Poking around I see that there are a number of halogen 1156 bulbs, and you're right, I can't find a LED bulb that will beat them.

There is this absurdly large LED (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1156-5w-102-smd-led-450-lumen-6500k-brake-backup-white-light-bulbs-pair-dc-12v-51373) bulb which advertises 450 lumens but I'm skeptical that that is true.

D-Dogg
08-14-2011, 10:26 AM
Poking around I see that there are a number of halogen 1156 bulbs, and you're right, I can't find a LED bulb that will beat them.

There is this absurdly large LED (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1156-5w-102-smd-led-450-lumen-6500k-brake-backup-white-light-bulbs-pair-dc-12v-51373) bulb which advertises 450 lumens but I'm skeptical that that is true.

Those are indeed huge! Thanks for posting that up - I missed those in my research.

But, at less than $20 per pair with shipping, I might give them a try when I rebuild my 318 hood and spray the reflectors with some miracle chrome finish. Those have enough LEDs on the side, they might actually throw enough light at the reflector to do something.

They would then free up about 60 watts of my charging system for something like this (http://www.mobilehid.com/proddetail.php?prod=400r&cat=14). Sure the 318 would look a little cycloptic with one in the center of the hood, but hey, it ought to light up nearly my whole yard.

Maybe even a worklight this (http://www.mobilehid.com/proddetail.php?prod=led800)on the rear.

sparktricion
08-14-2011, 08:46 PM
I was wondering if the headlight assembly could be modified to use lamps that are used on a newer auto look at your local junkyard and see if you could get the lamp holder and lamps maybe even a reflector or light that could be modified to work in your case. you never know you could come up with something simple that others could do. all else fails put some KC off road lights on,,,,,, and a winch,,,,,,,and a CB,,,,,,, and don't forget the cup holder:drunkie:
.Good luck
Randy

Oo-v-oO
08-15-2011, 10:07 PM
I'm guessing that the OP has a tractor with limited amperage available to run lights - and on top of that, it is probably AC.

I'm also guessing that the LEDs aren't going to like living on a regular diet of AC power.

You could run them off of the battery, not the lighting coil, but most only have about 3 amps of charging capacity so any halogen or sealed beam light wouldn't last long on a dinky lawn tractor battery and you would need to use LEDs.

If you're not going to run the lights off of the lighting coil, might as well leave the stock lights alone since they do throw a little bit of light out there.

89YT12
08-15-2011, 10:20 PM
i want to try these LED's ..... i may just buy some for the snapper

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1156-Super-Bright-HID-LED-Reverse-Lights-Pontiac-G3-G8-/290522971426?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a484bd22

D-Dogg
08-16-2011, 05:47 AM
D'ohhh, thanks for reminding me of that Lee. 36 watts of AC power isn't going to power a whole lot, and LEDs not at all. Now I suppose a fellow could slap a diode in the circuit couldn't he?

Chagrin
08-16-2011, 11:15 AM
D'ohhh, thanks for reminding me of that Lee. 36 watts of AC power isn't going to power a whole lot, and LEDs not at all. Now I suppose a fellow could slap a diode in the circuit couldn't he?

LEDs are diodes, silly ;). AC power (of appropriate voltage/current) won't bother them; they might flicker but I doubt you could see it.

If you're going to go DIY and you want to use high power LEDs then you'd want to use a constant current circuit (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mr16-1-3w-650-700ma-constant-current-regulated-led-driver-8-40v-input-13557) and match it with LEDs of that current (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-xr-e-r2-wg-emitter-on-premium-star-15943) (or vice versa).

The thing you have to watch out for with LEDs is that you always need to control the current to the LED to prevent it from burning out. With the little 12V bulbs you find in the stores these bulbs always contain resistors to limit the current, and for larger LED lights there will always be a little circuit somewhere handling that job. You never want to think that simply matching the voltage to a LED or string of LEDs will illuminate it stably.

If you tried to stick a diode or resistor in a circuit with a large LED then the voltage * current will usually result in a wattage that is over the rating of that diode/resistor, and even with a hefty diode/resistor that could handle the wattage you're still wasting the power to heat.

I could probably ramble on this for days, so I'll stop now.

Rusty Dayton
08-16-2011, 04:43 PM
the advantage would be a simple bridge rectifier. They are available in high current single body packages and would double the waveform utilized by the LED's.

http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/110/Bridge-Rectifiers/1.html