Who Paints??

[mark777]

I am seeing several Redo's and Restorations with completed and on-going projects. One can also tell from detailed answers to some questions that only years of experience provide.

From rattle cans to high line refinishing equipment...the majority here would rather do it themselves than drop it off at the local body shop. That impresses me, because...Hey it's not easy. Anybody can 'Hose' paint on something, but the hours of prep, temperature and chemistry is an exact science that many here have seemed to master.

I have a very detailed explanation concerning this post, and it has to do with a big free-bee that Valspar is sending me. Their NEW industrial/agriculture refinishing system currently used as OEM for John Deere. More Later.

Sorry for posting this here...not sure where would be best as I hate to bump some great topics currently being discussed.

Regards, Mark

[Ingersoll444]

I have been just getting into paint. Thanks to you for giving me the guts to just jump in!!!

I know thewre is a big learing curve, but I am hoping to keep it up. After the N's done, I want to shot a quicky job on a car I have also. :D


Noting makes something look better then a quick coat of paint!!!!

[LEOLAV]

I am PPG certified as a paint technician for my job. I develop sandpaper for the auto industry so I had to learn how they paint and what steps are involved. I have used it to my advantage to paint a bunch of stuff.

[Wingnut]

I remember my 1968 El Camino 396 SS in it was metalic blue it was faded and it took me 2 hours to touch it with the sandpaper because it was the point of no return once you start sanding and it no a fun or easy job. That was in Fall of 1982 I sold it in 1984 for $2000 :fing20:

[drbailey]

I have been in auto body repair for 47 years , I am General motors, Ford ,PPG , Icar , and other things certified , I have turned the Body shop to my Son Donnie and daughter Rhonda ( 12 year ago ) Donnie became Icar , Corvette 2006 certified this past week. he has many certifications on the wall.
We did the corvette thing for our local GM dealer. without it they can not purchase the new line of vette.
I have 3 other well qualified auto body tech`s. well certified.
Ask me how to operrate a rescue tow truck , I`m a blabber mouth I`ll tell you everything I know !! ROF

[mark777]

I KNEW it, there is all kinds of hidden talent on MTF.

And for those of you who are curious about the reference to I-CAR, it is an acronym for Inter-industry Conference on Automotive Repair...and it doesn't come cheap (right guy's?). It (now) encompasses all aspects of major collision repair, welding, controlled deformation and paint refinishing. Hours, days, weeks and upgrades of classroom education. The certification does not come from longevity or OJT - strictly classroom.

But having said all that, you don't need the certification to learn how to paint. As many already do. The chemistry and equipment have changed radically, but the basic principals of application and repair are pretty much unchanged, and have been for many decades.

I can't hardly wait to tell you guys what Valspar said during a phone conversation yesterday...but I'am waiting to count all of the painters.

Mark

[Ingersoll444]

Wainting to hear whats up.

[Fusion1970]

I have painted a few things here and there, but do not have enough experience with a particular type of coating to become an "expert" at it. The vast majority of what I have sprayed is gelcoat and Awl-Grip, but have sprayed various enamels, laquers, polys, etc.. I also have a little experience with cup guns, pressure pots, and airbrush.

And I am waiting for your response Mark on the Valspar thing.

Greg

[mark777]

Sorry guys it's not Earth shattering news...but interesting.

First part of our e-mail then phone conversation:

According to a Mr Bob Larson, head of marketing for Valspar, John Deere factories have adopted their newest product line. John Deere has elected to go with Valspar due to the cost, ease of application, color match (green & yellow) readily available factory packs (stock on dealer shelves), but mostly the durability of "like" urethane.

Mr Larson contacted me via e-mail and supplied me with various 800 #'s and ask that I contact him regarding my letter in January (9 months ago) concerning BPS Paints.
......So I did.

Second part of the conversation:

He has selected 60 shops nation wide to try the new product line and asked if I'd be interested. OK I says...Most of the conversation was me trying to get him to commit to what the basic chemistry is. As in, is it oil base, synthetic, acrylic or urethane. He was very careful not to divulge that part...Go figure. He did state that there will be a PK sheet (product knowledge-just like PPG) included in the test shipment.

This paint flashes off in 1-3 minutes, dust free in 5 minutes and dries in 1 hour (per Bob).

At first the shipment was to include a quart of reducer; primer; color and pint of hardener. Paint anything I like and please critique my findings and forward to him via e-mail. Again, OK I says...The approximate costs of the new line are: $20 per gallon of Reducer, $40 per gallon of paint and $19 per pint of catalyst.

Here's the funny part - as God is my witness, I received a verification of shipment to include:
2 Gallons - John Deere Green
2 Gallons - Fast Reducer
4 Quarts - Massey Ferguson Red
4 Quarts - Platinum Grey Primer
9 Pints - Catalyst

I DO NOT HAVE A NUT BOLT OR HORN BUTTON MADE FOR JOHN DEERE..Seriously what am I going to do with all this stuff? If and when it's shipped and I have it in hand, If there is anyone interested in testing the product out and can use the JD Green+reducer+catalyst let me know. Oh...and you can pay exactly the same as what I am paying for it....:)

Regards, Mark

[mark777]

Staff,

Thank you for creating this new forum "Mechanical, Paint & Restorations". I hope it is as interesting as the rest of the forums.

Mark

[jodyand]

I have painted a few cars and a few trucks in my time. I went to trade school to learn auto body and paint and i ended up not going into it. Became a Belt technician and then a machinist. I still have all the tools and paint guns but haven't painted anything in a few years.

[parts man]

I do some painting around home for farm use, and I paint our restored tractors. I always use IH acrylic enamel except one job with rust paint, and one with centaury.

[John Deere Addict]

I had painted some our farm tractors about 20 years ago..nothing great just general upkeep back then. However when Dad retired he needed someone to paint his tractor restorations so I was the obvious choice....I've painted several cars even did the primer on my Chevelle in my avatar, but the true artist in my family is my son Steve Jr. He started restoring cars when he was a Sr. in High School as a 4-H project. His entry won him a shot at the State fair. From that point he was hooked...he has painted his own 69 Chevelle and a bunch of others...all absolutely gorgeous. Tribal flames, ghost flames, weird looking checkerboard designs, etc. These have been on 1/4 mile drag cars, street rods, big 4x4 pickups and so on. My dad uses him to paint his restorations now....and I am playing second fiddle. I have afriend that I built his body shop some years ago that has taken my son under his wing and taught him alot about the painting process, and the new technology that exists today....much more than I care to learn I guess.

One of these days I'll get him to post some of his beautiful creations.

[parts man]

One of these days I'll get him to post some of his beautiful creations.


Please do,, i always like to see custom paint jobs,, love the ideas. :fing32:

[Fusion1970]

I agree. He's got it made, and it's cool that the guy is willing to teach him a few things. It's amazing what you can learn from just one person. And even if that person is not willing to share the knowledge, just being present is beneficial. You can learn alot from just watching.

Greg

[mark777]

I agree. He's got it made, and it's cool that the guy is willing to teach him a few things. It's amazing what you can learn from just one person. And even if that person is not willing to share the knowledge, just being present is beneficial. You can learn alot from just watching.

Greg


That's so true. I apprenticed under a shop owner who let me paint my first complete. He was there every step of the way from masking, mixing paint to shooting in the booth. He seldom spoke (unless I was doing something very stupid)...He did occasionally say; a little faster, slow down, too close, too far away. I thought it turned out beautiful...He said "Not Bad".

Mark