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HydroHarold
09-28-2005, 12:55 AM
I finally got tired of getting covered with dust and small clippings when bagging. What I made was a flexible fabric dust guard that goes around the front of the plastic hinged top covering the bags. It hangs down as far as the bottom of the bagger frame between tractor and bags.

Materials: One heavy duty tarp (Lowe's calls them Contractor Grade, mine's silver/brown plastic but I bet a cloth one would work better), One roll high quality duct tape (I used silver you may want to be more "brand specific).

Tools: Scissors, Sharpie marker, tape measure, damp rag to clean dust off surfaces to be taped.

1. Measure from bottom of bagger frame by hitch hole to a point about 3" above the edge of the hinged bag cover.
Measure from the back of the curve at the Right Hand front corner of cover to equivilant point on Left Hand side of cover. This is the size piece you will cut for the kilt. I cut the tarp so that the grommeted hem is on the bottom for weight.

2. Locate the center of the piece of tarp and the center of the front of bagger cover (hinged side toward seat). With a small piece of tape tack the tarp to the cover with the top edge of tarp about 2" above bottom edge of cover. Tarp hangs between seat and rear of tractor and the open mesh of the bags.

Remove accordian chute entry panel from front of bagger (4 #@*&*! Metric bolts). Bring tarp evenly across top edge of cover and tack with tape. Hold tarp up against hole for chute leaving 1/2" slack above opening to allow plate reattachment, cut out tarp INSIDE hole.

3. Reposition chute through hole in tarp and punch out bolt holes. Bolt chute back into position trapping tarp evenly between chute and bagger. OPEN COVER and tape remaining top edge of tarp evenly along top of cover to the back end of both front corners. When installed correctly tarp will hang straight down from chute entry and across entire tractor side of bagger cover. If needed relief slits could be cut to allow more drop past hitch.

Making tarp extend further to rear of corner impedes opening of the cover. Tarp will flare out when top is closed creating "side skirts" which provide better dust protection and deflection. Round bottom corners of tarp for "neatness".

My bagger is for a 48C deck with two bags, adjust your measurements/attaching accordingly. Some adjustment/retaping may be needed at corners depending how tight tarp is when cover is open. There is no reduction in airflow only air direction - down and to rear.

I made a quickie one of these last year out of 6mil. vinyl vapor barrier and it worked so well I wanted to try it with more HD materials. Works great especially if your top rubber gasket leaks and the dust blows down your neck (like mine did from day one!). Keeps tranny way cleaner!!! Since I had made one already it only took me about an hour from start to finish, some other models of bagger might present other clearance problems but anyone that can operate a mechanical device like a tractor should be able to.......:D
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mla2ofus
09-28-2005, 08:19 AM
Sounds like a good idea, Harold. No need eating dust when you can do something about it with something simple. Tho I'm sure someone will rake you over the coals on the use of duct tape. I guess those that abhor the use of duct tape will have to go the pop rivet route.
Mike

bontai Joe
09-28-2005, 09:56 AM
Great Canadian philosopher and craftsman Red Green always says, "That you can tell the quality of the craftsmanship by the smoothness of the duct tape!" :fing32: Seriously though, I've recently been introduced to the dust storm created by a rear bagger system and can appreciate the problem and your solution. Thanks for posting it and the details of what you did to solve it! :fing32: :fing32:

DeereBob
09-28-2005, 11:12 AM
HH,
I too have a Power Flow Bagger for a 48C deck. I first got the two bag system like yours but it was too flimsy for my application so I got an adjustment in price and exchanged it for the 3 bag bagger. With neither did I have the dust problems you are having which is currious since most of the time the leaves are dry. Do you have the Lip kit? If not this significantly reduces the blow back and thus the dust while mowing/bagging. I also use Gator Blades with the deck which create more lift than the regular ones for the 48C which also help.

HydroHarold
09-28-2005, 08:06 PM
OMG..!!! Well, I never thought in a million years I could insult anyone on THIS forum with the words "duct tape". However, as this may be a remote case with some prissy individuals, in place of the offending nomenclature for the material please substitute "Single Faced Coated Cloth Adhesive Stripping" ("SFCCAS") or for the compleate purist, "Horse Hide Glue". :D

The dust problem I have is due to several factors. A VERY dry Summer, sparse grass, exposed clay topsoil, and dry Fall leaves. I have very little dust escaping the edges of the deck. But the top of the bagger where the rubber gasket is supposed to "seal"... doesn't nor does the hood to bag contact either. The entry of the duct to the hood never fit right either and leaked grass duff. Dust also escapes from the mesh bags and the exhaust vent on the right side of the bagger. I look like that kid in Peanuts comic "Pig Pen" with the dust cloud following me all around the back yard... I wouldn't have as much problem with it in "regular" mowing conditions but last Fall and this Summer it was pretty bad.

There is a small added on lip bolted on the right front of the deck that I had to install when I got the machine. I notice in the JD parts catalog there are some add-ons like a "blowout kit" which is just a more extensive lip than the one I have. Which should come standard with the deck if it's prone to "blowout"! There's also a "leaf Kit" which appears is nothing more than a way to jam the leaves under the front edge of the deck. Also optional at extra cost...

I might try Gators next season as I mulch most of the Summer and if someone whom I can trust tells me they are better than the Gen-U-Ine John Deere mulching blades. :D

"Keep your stick on the ice!"

mla2ofus
09-29-2005, 07:57 AM
Harold, I have no problem with the use of duct tape, being a duct taper user myself. I was simply trying to head off any remarks made by those that don't like duct tape by saying they'd have to use pop rivets. Hereafter I'll refrain from using any tongue in cheek remarks.
Mike

DeereBob
09-29-2005, 08:54 AM
HH,
The reason I mentioned the lip kit is my old 54" deck (not a 54C) did not have the blowback problem with the PFU that my new 48C deck does. Second, JD did not make high lift blades for the 48C for the first 2 years I had it which is one reason I went to Gators. However, I don't use Gators to mulch since they are incompatible with the JD mulch plug for the 48C deck. As result I use JD mulching blades with it. Another suggestion that might help with bagger seals is to get a set of bunge cords to put more downward force on it against the seal than the cheesy plastic clip provides. I have had to bunge the bagger numerous times when the clip broke or on my new 3 bag unit when a few of the pop rivets came loose when it became unhitched. My final suggestion is consider going with the 3 bag unit. The reason is the 2 bag unit is both poorly designed and cheaply built compared to the old 2 bag unit that I had with the 54" deck. Your extemely dry conditions this summer make have been abnormal so the additional expense may not be warranted. But if you continue to have the same dusting problems you are now, you might want to consider this option.

bontai Joe
09-29-2005, 09:42 AM
I also have absolutely no problem with duct tape, as Red Green says, "It's the handyman's secret weapon!" I usually buy it 3 rolls at a time because it gets used a lot at my house for everything from removing lint from clothing, to helping me hold together parts while I'm "experimenting" in the shop.

chipmaker
09-29-2005, 06:18 PM
Duct tape (or what we used to call 100 mph tape) and baleing wire is what holds 90% of this world together, the rest is held with sheer luck and super glue.

dirtybernie
09-29-2005, 06:51 PM
Duct tape (or what we used to call 100 mph tape) and baleing wire is what holds 90% of this world together, the rest is held with sheer luck and super glue.
dont forget ty wraps! ROF

HydroHarold
09-29-2005, 07:23 PM
mla2ofus, good grief, don't quit tounge in cheek stuff on my account, my post was just that! I live on puns, sarcasm, acronyms, malaprops, and most of all wry (not rye:D) humor!! Duct tape has been received into the regular use of practically every trade on the earth. In some circles they might use classy "Stainless Steel Repair Tape" but it does the same thing... Fixes stuff QUICK with "as few wrinkles as possible"!:D

Now, if you're old as I am you went through the "friction tape" era followed by the "electricians tape" era and now we're sticking in the new millenium with duct tape. And as my Dad was in the movie business he used to bring home "camera tape" not to be confused with "gaffer tape" which had more sticky. White cloth camera tape was used on sets to mark everything from actor's places on the floor to what film was in the magazines of cameras. I stole every other roll of camera tape he brought home! BTW we could call pop rivits "non-reversable duct tape" making baleing wire the Bungee's Grandfather.

DeereBob, now I have the latch breaking to look forward to as well? Nifty! Well bungee cords are "duct tape" for stuff with "hookable edges"! And they come in so many colors and sizes! I had considered the three bagger but the dealer talked me out of it for some reason (no doubt none in stock). I have to look at the lip kit again on JDParts and see why I got a little one with the deck when there's a better one afterall.

Also a "volume buyer" of duct tape, the best I found around here is in Home Depot and the brand is Nashua 398. There is always a number after the name but I never figured out if it's the "sticky quotient" or just a product number. On my applications it has out-stuck 3M, Manco, and by far Duck Brand which should be relegated to the catagory of "Children's Duct Tape"! Maybe though, like fine wine, duct tape is all a matter of taste... :D

professor
09-30-2005, 07:17 AM
Beware- duct tape and oil make an incredible mess to remove. Ask me how I know.

Mike

mla2ofus
09-30-2005, 07:54 AM
Yeah, Professor, you're right about the duct tape and oil. Also never put it on something for very long that you'll later wish the tape adhesive wasn't there and you'd like to remove it!!
Mike

mla2ofus
09-30-2005, 08:05 AM
PS:Harold. Boy was I relieved, I thought I'd started a flame without realizing I'd struck the match.
Mike

sonny
10-29-2005, 09:32 PM
My neighbor thinks epoxy holds the world together. I go with duck tape and baling wire, too. sonny