Case/Ingersoll Hydro filter retrofit

[Ingersoll444]

The older Case and Ingersoll tractors, wile being full hydroilc powerd, did not have a filter in the system. Some will say that they last a long time anyway, but the fact is, a clean hydro system just lasts longer. That and the fact that Ingersoll in later years started using one, means to me its a good idea.

Well after playing around with my two Ingersoll's, and tring to find a good place to mount it, and failing a few times, this is what I came up with. So far it seems to be working. Made adjusting the points a little harder, but was doable. It also seems to be well out of the way. My right foot never once bumped into it wile mowing for an hour and a half yesterday. As for heat? Not to sure yet. Wile warm yesterday, it was not rely HOT out, so I dont know if it will put out to much heat on my right leg. So far, I would say its a suscess. I may need to make a small heat sheld if that becomes a problem, but all seems good. Now to mach up the setup on my small wheel, short wheelbace 224, to see if fitment is the same.

[Volfandt]

Good idea. It definitely can't hurt.
Even to this day some manufacturers don't think hydraulic systems need a filter. Just found out the other day that the Mrs's Toyota Corolla doesn't have a filter in it's tranny! And there ain't many, if any automotive power steering systems with a filter either!
But on the flip side my Kubota BX23 not only has a filter but a metal screen on the main return also.

I guess they must figure if'n it's a closed system that theres less chance of contamination where as if'n you're adding different attachments that work off of the systems hydraulics a filter is a must. Danged if'n I know....

Didn't mean to ramble.

Volfandt

[Ingersoll444]

Hey ramble away :D


Ya, so far so good. Other then making it a little harder to get to parts on that side of the tractor, it has worked AWSOME. Not in the way at all, not to much heat to contend with eather. Add the extra capasty, and the extra cooling provided by it, it has to help.

[Ingersoll444]

I guess they must figure if'n it's a closed system that theres less chance of contamination where as if'n you're adding different attachments that work off of the systems hydraulics a filter is a must. Danged if'n I know....

Didn't mean to ramble.

Volfandt

Sorry I missed this the first time.

This is one of my thoughts. With a tiller, Hydrovac, and a splitter that all run off of the Hydro system, there Is a few ways to get dirt, and crun in the system. I first started thinking this, when I changed the fluid in my 224 one time. In the drain pan, I saw a lot of "shimmer" that is the first sign of something going bad. Being I did not have the money to just start replacing parts, I figure I better get a filter in there soon. If nothing else to just trap the peices. After that I thought about my 444. Wile that system, is still good, figure it was a good time to start perserving it.


As an update....

Its still working great!! When I hooked up the snow plow, the filter was a TINY bit in the way. A little bend was all it took to get it moved, and now it is totaly clear of any attachment. So far no down sides at all, other then a tiny bit harder to adjust the points.

[case220]

Excellent idea! I'm gonna do the same if you don't mind me using your idea. What micron filter are you using? Do you run motor oil or hydraulic and what weight or spec? Thanks again for your help on the fan assembly! Got it together proper now.

[Ingersoll444]

The Case Hydrive system uses motor oil. They recomend 20w40 oil, but as you will find thats VERY hard to find. I use eather 15w40, or 20w50 oil. I, and many others, have had good luck with Shell, Rotella oil. It has good anti foaming qualitys.

As for the filter, I got it at Northern tool. They have online ordering, and it is a 10 micron filter. I think I have the part number if you need it.

[Ingersoll444]

Sorry, a few things to keep in mind....

Wile its apart, and drained, its a good time to replace your return hoses. DON"T use heater hose, it will not last. Use Hydrolic return hose. Also the rest of the setup I used just hardwere store stuff. Iron pipe fittings[dont use galv. they will flake off, and hurt the system] and a simple L bracket for the mount. When you mount the bracket, spend a little time sizing things up. Make sure it clears the lift plate, and that you have a clear rute for the houses.

[case644]

Paul,
I was thinking of doing this on the 644 and was wndering how you think the filter would work being put on the return side of the rear pto valve? I could mount it out back rather than on the side to offerr a bit more protection for the filter while running the loader. What do you think. Let me know. BTW how did the splitter work out off the PTO? Can't remember if you told me or not before.

Bob

[Ingersoll444]

Hi Bob, have not tryed the splitter yet, so not sure how it will work.

As for the filter. In the return from the PTO, is a high pressure. The Hydrive swstem, runs the Hydro pressure to the PTO, then to the drive motor. Lots of pressure, and would take a pricy, highend filter to do the job. You want to be in the low pressure, return system, to use this type of filter. Mine is in the line running from the cooler, to the tank, but you could also tap into the line going to the cooler. Only problem with that is the heat the filter will give off. Maybe OK on a loader tractor, becouse there may be diferent places to mount it, but where I have mine, I would not want that extra heat there.

[case644]

Cool. Thanks for the info. Have been thinking about it for a while and now that I will have another tractor to take care of the snow removal, it's that Allis I asked about, will be time to start tearing into the loader before spring. Plus you shouldn't see any difference when hooked up to the PTO. I hooked my splitter up to a portable hydraulic pump that we had a work and saw no difference between the portabe and the PTO on the loader.

Bob

[Ingersoll444]

Cool. thanks Bob. Been a busy fall/winter, so just have not tryed yet.

[fear1]

Hey Paul,

Is this the 35 GPM filter?

Larry

[Ingersoll444]

Hey Paul,

Is this the 35 GPM filter?

Larry

This is the one I used...


http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_12006_12006

[Ingersoll444]

Bump up for member request