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Old 03-26-2010, 11:02 PM   post #1 of 50
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Default Should I attempt a restore, Horse circa 1979 tiller

Trying to figure out the model/year, I'm thinking 1979/1980 based on a parts/attachments/kits price list included in a box of parts for the Ole Horse.

As you can see it is in quite disrepair, no engine and a bunch of rust. This was my fathers tiller (which I used often) and was left with my aunt. The engine died and they decided to replace instead of repair and it was left outside. I do have with it a small amount of original parts, plus some of the original documentation.

A parts-attachments-kits list with "Prices Effective January 1, 1980.
A how to tune up your troy-bilt's 6 HP Tecumseh-Lauson Engine.
Belt adjustment for your two speed tiller.
A four page fold out Master repair and maintenance kit part list.
A how to replace wheel shaft oil seal.
5 easy tips for replacing troybilt oil seals.
Troy bilt external hardware kit diagram (12/77)

Here are some of the overview pictures. Definitely will need to be broken down, sanded/sand blasted, and repainted. Not to mention a new motor, belt, motor mounts, etc...
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:06 PM   post #2 of 50
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Here are pictures of all the numbers I could find. Would need some help locating the model number so I can figure out what parts I need (and costs) to get the engine mounted and running.


The first picture is harder to read, it says TH-1001-1 (or -Y) a "circled "B"" and The second picture has cast on it" Garden Way TH-1010 H" really can't make out the rest. Will have to check again.
And the third picture is simply "68824"

Any idea of the model and serial number out of those?
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:20 PM   post #3 of 50
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Here are a few pictures of the documentation I have.
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:22 PM   post #4 of 50
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And a couple of pics of the parts I have.
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Looks like a Horse I, built in September, 1973.

I think that if that tiller had been MY dad's, I'd be inclined to want to restore it.

I'm in the same predicament: I hope to get my grandfather's Farmall Super A. It's still in decent shape, needs more cosmetic fixes more than anything. I used that tractor when I was a kid, and would LOVE to get it back to like-new condition.
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Your model is "Horse" or "Horse 1" and yes it's worth fixing. Do you plan on restoring it to original factory condition? If yes, you will need to find a 6 HP Tecumseh, but if you just want to use it, Troy-Bilt used a lot of different motors on these and there are several available that will fit. Check out the repower section of www.smallenginewarehouse.com. MTD is the current manufacturer and they are pretty good on parts, even for an "oldtimer" like this one.
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Old 03-27-2010, 08:17 AM   post #7 of 50
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JOe, it definitely has the sentimental value and I had started using the tiller as soon as I was old/big enough to use it. Was about 7 or 8 when my dad first bought it. Definitely understand where you are coming from, heck I'm trying to get our old neighbor to sell back our old John Deere 140 H3 (~1977) that we sold when we moved. Still in great condition, with the hydro drive/hydro blade attachment etc...

NRAlifer, not sure how easy it will be to find a 6HP Tech. engine to make it as original, but the engine had been replaced around 1985.

My parents always had a big garden growing up, and one summer, 1985ish, the old Tech. kept acting up. My dad purchased a new Kohler replacement engine for it (K141 was the 6 hp version, found the manual for the replacement engine in the box). He believed the original Tec. was on it's last legs and was going to die soon. Instead I saw the new engine in the garage and went ahead with a friend to switch it out, we had plans on using the old engine in a go kart. Needless to say he wasn't too thrilled, but the kohler ran great and started up easily!

Long story short, some initial research says I need about $150 in new parts (pulley's, belts, reverse disc) plus an engine. Think I'm going to go for it!
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Is the restoration question rhetorical?

I agree, I would definitely restore the tiller. It looks solid and looks like a good candidate.

The last photo in your second post is the serial number.
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Love your quote DJ, and yes I will be restoring the tiller. Have a few other projects going right now that I need to finish up first, but I'll post updates here as I go along.
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HD, a little advice for something to do now before you start on it. turn it on it's side and start putting penetrating oil on the inside and outside of the wheel hubs. I just got my horse not long ago and had to drill two bolt holes in each wheel so I could get my puller on them and still had to heat the hubs w/ oxy/acet. torch to get them off. When I replaced the seals I applied liberal amounts of anti seize to the axles and hubs after cleaning them up good w/ emery cloth and wheel cyl hone. Mine will always be parked out of the weather but I'll still remove the wheels every couple of years to reapply the anti seize.
I found 1 1/2" and 1 1/4" PVC pipe w/ one end cut off square makes an excellent seal driver. A chop saw or miter saw will make the square cut. IIRC the 1 1/2" is for the tine seals and the 1 1/4" is for the wheel seals.
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mine looked like yours but with a junk engine runs good now
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Thanks for the advice guys and great job on your tiller Don! I was headed out later today and had already planned to start using the penetrating oil.

I've been looking at the parts diagram on TroyBilt's (MTD's) site as well as the small engine warehouse site on making sure I have the right model#.

On Troybilts site, this is the description of the parts diagram I'm using.
HORSE I 6HP ROTO TILLER (S/N 1001-639999) Is that the correct one?

And is mine considered a 2 speed or 4 speed? I believe 2 speed since it has a "Fast and Slow" setting, but is it considered 4 speed since there can be Fast Forward/Reverse and Slow Forward/Reverse?

Also, I can't remember if I had one belt or two belts either.

And from Troybilts parts list, I'll need the following, plus various bolts.:

PUL:MACH:HORSE
619-04124 $75.58

KIT-ADJUST BLOCK/REV DISC
GW-1919 $51.98

BELT:V:GW 208
GW-9245 $14.76

They also have listings for the bolts/washers etc...but they wanted $2 for a single lock washer, I think I can do better elsewhere.

How about decals, are they still sold?
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Many of us TB tiller "addicts" started with one like yours. I did not see a copy of your Owners Manual listed. Priority one, if you don't have one, get one. And DO NOT get the photocopy version of one. You cannot see the pictures well, and a picture is worth a thousand words. They frequently come up on e-bay. Try and
watch out for parts on e-bay though, they tend to go top dollar, and can REALLY add up.
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HD, I don't know how the 2 belt ones were set up. If the two pulleys on the trans shaft are different sizes, then I'm going to say it's a one belt model. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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HD, I don't know how the 2 belt ones were set up. If the two pulleys on the trans shaft are different sizes, then I'm going to say it's a one belt model. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are correct. The real old timers used 2 "matched" belts, the later models used 1 belt that you could switch from one set of pulleys to the other for different speeds. Careful measuring of the width of the pulley grooves will determine which you have, but if it's much older than say 1977, then I'm pretty sure you have a 2 belt drive. Mine is a 1980 and is a one belt drive (4 speed)
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