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1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

Hi folks - my folks just got a new one of these and are trying to understand how to keep the mower going when you reverse (has a belly mower)

I googled and found some info about RIO - and know there is a yellow know on the dash - but thought easier to ask here

1) if you have the engine and mower going and shift into reverse, does it stop the mower pto only? or does it stop mower/engine both?

2) if you do NOT want that sort of behavior to happen (let's assume it just stops the mower pto) - how to avoid that is what exactly? it looks like maybe pulling/holding out that know to the next position just prior to when you go into reverse....would keep the mower going?

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Re: 1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

Hello bb1. Congratulations on the new wheels! I am coming at this based on my experience with my x748, as I do not have a 1 series.

1) On the x748 when the engine is running and the pto is engaged hitting the reverse pedal will shut off the PTO, stopping what ever attachment is attached, UNLESS (here comes answer #2) I lift the RIO lever before engaging the reverse pedal. After you pull up the RIO lever and engage reverse you can let go of the RIO lever, you don't have to keep holding it.

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I thought the RIO feature was on Deere tractors up to and including the x7 series. I didn't think the 1 series and larger (the ones with ROPS) had RIO and kept running in reverse, but I could certainly be wrong.

Hitting reverse will not stop the engine unless you are out of the seat.

Also, the pto will shut off if you hit the brake.

Discussion of more permanent solutions to disable the RIO feature are prohibited on MTF.

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Re: 1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

Yes lifting up on the PTO lever while going in reverse will keep the mower going... Unfortunately after two years of mowing with my 1025r I still forget half the time. Usually mow with my zero turn../
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Re: 1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

Just out of curiousity, does it re-engage the PTO when you go forward again? And does it shut off the rear PTO as well? Considering how much maneuvering I do while mowing my lawn and tilling my garden I think I'm glad I got a Massey without that feature.
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Re: 1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

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Just out of curiousity, does it re-engage the PTO when you go forward again? And does it shut off the rear PTO as well? Considering how much maneuvering I do while mowing my lawn and tilling my garden I think I'm glad I got a Massey without that feature.
No, you have to shut the PTO "off" and then reengage. Honestly it is so second nature to me I don't even pay attention.

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No, you have to shut the PTO "off" and then reengage. Honestly it is so second nature to me I don't even pay attention.
I figured you were going to say that. How did people survive without all these safety features? Anyway, moving on.
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I figured you were going to say that. How did people survive without all these safety features? Anyway, moving on.
Well if you knew I was going to say it why did you ask?

I didn't say I enjoyed that handy dandy little feature I merely implied I learned to live with it. If I didn't like it I would do something about it.....

Back in the 60's "safety" was a big marketing point... how safe various machines were was all over the advertising literature... Deere sold their Lawn and Garden line as being "triple safe" which was a key, neutral start, and PTO switch.... yet now if you mention "safety" anything folks get puffed up like you offended them. I suppose it got too safe when they added brake and seat switches... cuts down on the thrill of mowing right..... sure you can do something a million times but that 1,000,001 time might be the time you screw up.... are you willing to accept the consequences of your actions if your wife, child, or grandchild is sitting in that seat? Just think about that one. The choice is yours but a swipe at my post doesn't change my mind.... I live with what ever safety features come on the machines I have and they don't bother me after a couple uses.

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Well if you knew I was going to say it why did you ask?

I didn't say I enjoyed that handy dandy little feature I merely implied I learned to live with it. If I didn't like it I would do something about it.....

Back in the 60's "safety" was a big marketing point... how safe various machines were was all over the advertising literature... Deere sold their Lawn and Garden line as being "triple safe" which was a key, neutral start, and PTO switch.... yet now if you mention "safety" anything folks get puffed up like you offended them. I suppose it got too safe when they added brake and seat switches... cuts down on the thrill of mowing right..... sure you can do something a million times but that 1,000,001 time might be the time you screw up.... are you willing to accept the consequences of your actions if your wife, child, or grandchild is sitting in that seat? Just think about that one. The choice is yours but a swipe at my post doesn't change my mind.... I live with what ever safety features come on the machines I have and they don't bother me after a couple uses.
Well, I had a feeling just re-engaging the PTO upon forward movement would make too much sense to implement. "Pausing" it while in reverse and resuming upon forward movement just makes sense to me.

Frankly, I think many of these features are turning us in mindless creatures completely oblivious to what's going on around us. Trucks even have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping systems so you can darn near set it and take a nap, so it's only a matter of time before people try it, then wonder why they crashed. I feel like we're turning into the people in the movie "Wall-e", riding around in chairs, food delivered in liquid form so no chewing, color changing clothes so we don't even need to get up to change ourselves... Instead of teaching someone to pay attention to what's going on around them (IE, look over your shoulder before backing up along with teaching kids to stay away from a tractor in operation) lets just have the machine take over responsibility. I mean, you can still backup at the touch of the pedal without looking right? So now you'll just back into your car, house, or over a kid/animal without the implement running. I get they'll be hurt less than if the mowing deck or tiller was still running, but they'd still get hurt. So if one is already looking back to ensure a clear path before changing direction as they should be, then there's no need to turn the implement(s) off. The loader causes a blind spot, but I don't see anything automatically raising or lowering it so you can see better when going forward unless you push a button first. In fact, most headlights get blocked when the bucket is raised to travel height, and that seems like a problem without a factory solution. I have more of an issue backing up with a rear blade due to its length and width than the belly mower, but nothing helps that so it's up to operator responsibility. Might as well be in the same habit for all implements, IMO. Situational awareness.

As for the kids, they don't use the tractor without adult supervision and being taught how to use it. We don't just turn them loose and expect the safety features to stop accidents. Those safety features aren't 100% guaranteed either. So if a switch can fail, a wire break or short out, or a pin come unplugged why rely on them when you can learn to operate without them? The parking brake is a prime example. I can't count how many times I've read on this forum to not rely on it. Too many come loose leading to a tractor rolling down hill. And yet, there's a switch that prevents getting off the running tractor while the HST is engaged... Seems like you'd be better off disabling that switch vs using the parking brake just based on experiences here. (In addition to dropping the loader and implement, of course.)
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Re: 1025R - how to mow in reverse w/o mower disengaging

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Well, I had a feeling just re-engaging the PTO upon forward movement would make too much sense to implement. "Pausing" it while in reverse and resuming upon forward movement just makes sense to me.

Frankly, I think many of these features are turning us in mindless creatures completely oblivious to what's going on around us. Trucks even have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping systems so you can darn near set it and take a nap, so it's only a matter of time before people try it, then wonder why they crashed. I feel like we're turning into the people in the movie "Wall-e", riding around in chairs, food delivered in liquid form so no chewing, color changing clothes so we don't even need to get up to change ourselves... Instead of teaching someone to pay attention to what's going on around them (IE, look over your shoulder before backing up along with teaching kids to stay away from a tractor in operation) lets just have the machine take over responsibility. I mean, you can still backup at the touch of the pedal without looking right? So now you'll just back into your car, house, or over a kid/animal without the implement running. I get they'll be hurt less than if the mowing deck or tiller was still running, but they'd still get hurt. So if one is already looking back to ensure a clear path before changing direction as they should be, then there's no need to turn the implement(s) off. The loader causes a blind spot, but I don't see anything automatically raising or lowering it so you can see better when going forward unless you push a button first. In fact, most headlights get blocked when the bucket is raised to travel height, and that seems like a problem without a factory solution. I have more of an issue backing up with a rear blade due to its length and width than the belly mower, but nothing helps that so it's up to operator responsibility. Might as well be in the same habit for all implements, IMO. Situational awareness.

As for the kids, they don't use the tractor without adult supervision and being taught how to use it. We don't just turn them loose and expect the safety features to stop accidents. Those safety features aren't 100% guaranteed either. So if a switch can fail, a wire break or short out, or a pin come unplugged why rely on them when you can learn to operate without them? The parking brake is a prime example. I can't count how many times I've read on this forum to not rely on it. Too many come loose leading to a tractor rolling down hill. And yet, there's a switch that prevents getting off the running tractor while the HST is engaged... Seems like you'd be better off disabling that switch vs using the parking brake just based on experiences here. (In addition to dropping the loader and implement, of course.)
You should meet a guy named Hydro Harold. I'm pretty sure you'd hit it off.


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You should meet a guy named Hydro Harold. I'm pretty sure you'd hit it off.
Maybe I'm biased, but I'm just so sick of people relying on technology instead of common sense. I've held a career that supports a family of 6 because of technology's failures for the last 9 years. I also live in NY where metal likes to rust/corrode and fail, and the temperature ranges cause plastic to shatter over time. I opted out of adaptive cruise control, accident avoidance, lane keeping, and some other options on my truck. Given the glitches with the infotainment system alone I'm glad I did. Last thing I need is to rely on one of those systems only to have them glitch out and lead to an accident. Yes some of them, like traction control, work surprisingly well and I like them. However, I also know how to drive in mud and snow without it, and have the ability to turn it off so it's more convenience than safety feature IMO.

I see people around here doing dumb things on a daily basis because they're completely oblivious to the world around them. (To the point where some lady tried merging into my lane at 60mph even though her front passenger door was even with my truck's driver door. I watched her literally not even twitch as I laid on the horn and floored it to pull ahead and swerve to avoid her hitting me.) I can't count the number of accidents I've almost been in because people apparently can't see a compact or full size pickup with headlights on. The sheer lack of attention from people astounds me and yet more and more technology is implemented to encourage it. What's depressing to me is manufactures seem so worried about getting sued that they engineer products to eliminate owner responsibility as much as possible. At what point does that render a machine or tool useless? (Or maybe the operator if it's fully automated.)

I just hope I don't live long enough to see Wall-e turn into a documentary. Or Idiocracy for that matter. Somes days it feels like we're almost there.

I suppose I'm one of those people who wonders if we should start removing warning labels and let evolution take over. "Oh, you need to be told not to insert a hot curling iron into a bodily orifice? Well, have fun with that."
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Started cutting 3+ acres of very hilly land for my dad at age 13 with a Locke mower reel type with side gangs. Open blades, tossing rocks from chipmunk holes, twigs, and the evil goose poop (hate those flying rats) at me. Bought my own house and got a used Sears Super 12 with a 48" deck for a while. Moved to my current home on 1 acre of lawn and a Craftsman LG tractor 1990 something with a 46" deck and half a dozen "push mowers" in between, none of which had a safety stop on the mower. 49 cutting years later (2 years ago) bought an X500 with 48" deck and had to get used to pulling that RIO up as went to reverse. Not doing it is a pain so you learn quick, now don't even think about it. Guess I'd be as safe now with or without it, just as I've been these 51 years of mowing. Sensors or no sensors, learn your equipment and run it right, thats the best safety system in the world. IMHO.

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