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post #1 of 51 Old 01-06-2006, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
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EBay MTF Lessons Learned

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EBay is great because of the mass quantity out items and it is easy used.

Because it is easy to set and use, there is also open to criminal element that will swindle, steal, cheat, and commit fraud to steal your money. These rip-off artists are getting more creative in stealing your money everyday. Unfortunately the laws have not caught to these types of criminals acts yet and probably never will. We do not want laws that would complicate and restrict are future transactions on internet auctions and commerce.

Your experience be Good or Bad, I what people to share their experiences on this thread to help identify scams and prevent themselves from being victims of EBay Fraud.

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Basically it is up to you to protect yourself, use your common sense and good judgment, if an item is too good to be true it probably is. I can only give a buyer’s prospective I have never sold on EBay.

I have only been buying from EBay for 2 years. I am fugal I have only bought 8 items but I have bid on over 50 items that I did not win or the reserve was not met, but after the bidding was over, received an Email from a person who was calming to be “The Seller” of the item and offered me a Second Chance to buy the item.

Scam: Second Chance Offer
This Scam has happened to me twice:

The first time was on a Motorcycle, I was the winner but the reserve was not met. I was contacted via Email by a Seller; he wanted me to respond back to him by an email address not through EBay [THAT’S A RED FLAG*]. His Email Stated “He could sell me the motorcycle for my winning bid, outside of EBay to save money on the seller’s fee” [THAT’S A RED FLAG*] All I had to do was send him a Bank check, money order, or give him a credit card number and then I could have the item ship to me**.

*A legitimate Seller does not go outside of EBay to sell.
** I am not going to send money to someone out of state because he claiming to be a seller.

The second time was on a Tractor, I was not the winner bidder (Durwood and Ken can probably remember this story as it was unfolding). The Tractor went for $2400 and my Max Bid was $1560. Three days after the auction I received an email for a Second Chance to get the item. I wasn’t as naïve as I was the first time! The person that sent me the E-mail did not have the same ID as the seller [Red Flag#] He want me to respond back to email address [Red Flag: like before] He offer to sell it to me for my Max Bid [Red Flag too good to be true: He was willing to take $940 less than the winning bidder] I looked a the Bid History the Item Page on EBay- there were 7 other people that bid higher than me [Red Flag: there were 7 other persons that wanted more than me why not sell it to them for more money??]. He also stated that he would deliver it for free to me [Red Flag: Too good to be true! Who would deliver a 300 lbs tractor 70 miles for free especially when it was “Pick up only” on his Ad]. I E-mailed the Winning Bidder to see if he re-canted his bid, he responded “No but he was willing to sell it to me for $3000 (this sound real and reasonable, but I responded “Thanks but no too much for me!”)
I did Email back the swindler and said “Don’t worry about the shipping I bring you the money and pick up the tractor personally”; He never responded back to me.

# if you get a second chance offer from somebody make sure the seller and sender have the same EBay ID.

Have anyone of y’all received a real "second chance offer" that was legitimate?

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Yes, I bid on a programmable thermostat for my heat pump before Christmas. I was outbid and received a second chance offer to buy it at my highest bid. Looked legit so I went for it. I thought there was a problem because he notified me he shipped it the next morning but it didn't show up for a week and a half. I e-mailed him asking if he sent it and about 15 minutes after I sent the e-mail the mail came and there it was. I guess it just got caught in the Christmas rush. He had more than one but the auction was just for one. It kinda screws the guy who outbid me though since I lost the auction but got my item for several bucks less than the winner paid. Oh yeah, thermostat is installed and works fine. Hutch
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I bid on ebay quite often.. I was notified by ebay that someone was trying to make a purchase using my CC. They directed me on how to cancell the card and put my account on hold until it was resolved. End result, it didn't cost me anything and I only had to wait for my bank to maik me a new CC. Couldn't ask for better service. I have purchased junk on ebay, just read carefully what your bidding on.
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Lots of good advice above. Always be careful about giving out info, especially to a seller that wants to work outside of Ebay's system. I've only bought on Ebay and those were items close enough for me to go and pickup as well as eyeball before cash passing hands. I've bid on lots of items, but I'm a cheapskate, so I often get out bid. I don't cry over it as there will always be another one later.

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I decided that this was so full of good advise that I made it a "sticky'.

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I have been purchasing on Ebay for years - both for myself and more recently, for hard to get items for my job/work. I have over 100 feedbacks and have probably purchased well over 100 items. I recently discovered that I have been ripped-off for the first time ever. Fortunately it was only for a magazine subscription that was a little less than $17. Considering all that I have saved on purchases in the past, I can't complain too much but it is still very annoying. I am trying to make things as difficult as possible for the seller, but I don't think I am going to get any satisfaction because too much time has elapsed since the auction ended. I will continue to buy on Ebay and I won't do anything differently than I do now except that I won't buy any more subscriptions because it takes too long to find out if you are actually going to receive them. I've bought them before and paid only a small fraction of the renewal price, but I won't risk it again.

Here is what I do and what I suggest others do when they buy on Ebay:

(1) Read the item description carefully. Don't make any assumptions about the item. If the seller doesn't show something clearly in a picture or doesn't plainly say something in the description, assume the worse about it and you won't be disappointed. Also, pay attention to all of the sellers terms - especially the shipping cost. If no shipping cost is provided - ask. Some sellers have no problem charging a lot more for the shipping/handling than the cost of the item. Unusually high shipping charges are a red flag.

(2) Read the seller's feedback - particularly feedback from buyers. Everyone has to start somewhere, so not everyone has a long track record, but you definitely want to read what others have said to try to get a feel for whether others have been completely satisfied. If someone has a lot of feedback, they might have a couple of negatives, but if you read what they say often it sounds like the buyer was unreasonable. On the other hand, sometimes if you read between the lines of neutral, or even positive, feedbacks you can get a feel for whether buyers have been partially dissatisfied with some aspect of the transaction. If the feedback is bad, just don't bid. If you don't get an entirely warm and fuzzy feeling from the feedback, either pass on the item or factor in your reservations when deciding how much to bid.

(3) If you have any questions, ask the seller BEFORE you bid. If they don't respond, don't bid.

(4) When you win an item, ask the seller to notify you when they ship it out (or when they receive your payment if paying by check) and/or to provide a tracking number for the shipment (if possible). This can give you peace of mind when shipping is slow.

(5) Don't use instant cash payments like Western Union. Even Western Union recommends against using them to pay for auctions. I use PayPal and it is convenient for me. I know a seller who won't take it because PayPal took money back from them after a buyer filed a dispute on an item. I don't know the whole story there, but it seems to bode well for buyers if nothing else.

If you have a problem with an item, email the seller first. I have had a few mix-ups and with the exception of this last one, the seller has always made it right. When emailing, you have to wait at least a few days for a reply - sometimes life gets in the way. If you don't get an email response, you can ask Ebay to give you the sellers telephone number. If that fails (in my case it was a dead-end voice mail box), you can file a dispute with Ebay and/or PayPal (if you use it), but you have to do so within a certain period of time - I believe 45 days currently. After that, they won't do much for you.

I think that covers everything I can suggest. The warnings about being contacted outside of Ebay are valid. My brother had someone try this on a big ticket item and it was definitely a scam. There were plenty of signs that it was bogus, not the least of which were the many excuses for all sorts of unusual requirements the seller had for completing the transaction.

I hope it helps some of you buy safely. All potential problems aside, it can be a fairly amazing thing - you can find just about anything at any time, purchase it without leaving your home, and often save money in the process.

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I have received a couple of legit second chance offers. Both times I had bid on some kind of a manual. Turns out the seller had multiple copies of the manual and sent me a second chance offer for the price that I had bid.

This is how it worked. The seller sent me an email through ebay stating that I could buy the manual for what I had bid. The email had a link that took my to a private auction on ebay that had a buy it now price matching my original bid. I was the only one that could get into that auction, and I think it was good for three days. At any rate, both times I took the offer and had no problems.
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I had one guy state that I was bidding on a Ipaq charger and he sent it, it didn't contain a power cord. In the decription, it stated none of the information that it didn't contain the powercord. I complained and Ebay didn't do chit about it, even though he has done the same thing several times to people. It is sellers like that that should be banned.
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I just recently got burnt. Bid on a used printer. I had a LXXmarkthat died and had just recently purchased two cartridges for it, ( After market cartrides 2 for $33.00). this ebayer stated printer came with a computer for his office but only used it twice as he used a central printer. I emailed him through ebay and asked if he knew of any problems with it, replied perfect no problems. No one bid on it and I offered him $20.00 for it, said his reserve was 25.00 and would meet me half way at $22.50. I said deal but please make sure to pack it properly with lots of padding.

Ebay wouldn't let him invoice me as auction had ended with out a winner, so I sent him a money order for $37.00 w/shipping. MISTAKE, I finished deal outside of ebbay, so now I can't even leave negative feedback! Well I got it in a box NO packing at all, cartridges in it where empty and all kinds of paper fibers in it. Used only twice, NO WAY. Of course printer would not work as well

Emailed him back told him not happy with no packing and clearly had much use and would not work. Emailed me back and blamed someone else for poor packing and that he does not understand why it did not work. Said he would make it right. Emailed him right back and said ok please send money order and I will at my expense ship unit back to him. He replied ok.

That was 3 weeks ago I have emailed him twice and asked status, He states that i am harrassing him and he will make it right.

Now I will start harrassing him!

Lessons learned - No deals outside of ebbay, and no deals with anyone less than 30 positve feedbacks, this guy had only 7 feedbacks.

Anyone out there use a lxxmark 12A1970 black cartridge and a color refill kit - both are aftermarket, been using this supplier for years and never had a problem with this supplier, I will ship it to you free, just hate to see them go to waste.

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My favorite EBay Scam – it is Too Good to Be True

I run into this all the time. You will come across a piece of equipment such as a John Deere Tractor. The Tractor is listed on a “approved bidder only” and it is a 2-3 day auction. The tractor is selling thousands below its actual value.

The person selling the item owns a business; they need a big loss so they will not have to pay taxes. The approved bidders from the list are people who are starting a business and need that item (how many approved bidders are from the same city, or have same name of their bother-in-law on that list?). Then they buy the same tractor back some months later (but it now an investment into the business), but it is amazing how the tractor was never picked up by the new owner and is still being used.

The can do this about every 3 years before it is red flagged by IRS. It is real hard to prove anything illegal because of the documentation that it was sold on EBay and later bought back on EBay.

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My favorite EBay Scam – it is Too Good to Be True

I run into this all the time. You will come across a piece of equipment such as a John Deere Tractor. The Tractor is listed on a “approved bidder only” and it is a 2-3 day auction. The tractor is selling thousands below its actual value.

The person selling the item owns a business; they need a big loss so they will not have to pay taxes. The approved bidders from the list are people who are starting a business and need that item (how many approved bidders are from the same city, or have same name of their bother-in-law on that list?). Then they buy the same tractor back some months later (but it now an investment into the business), but it is amazing how the tractor was never picked up by the new owner and is still being used.

The can do this about every 3 years before it is red flagged by IRS. It is real hard to prove anything illegal because of the documentation that it was sold on EBay and later bought back on EBay.
thanks wingnut. that makes sense to me now! just tonight there was an aution like that that just dissapeard and it really had me wondering why its done so often!
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I bought a front clutch pulley for my IH 104 off ebay that was advertised as being in good condition, straight and true. Wish I would have installed it before leaving feedback. It looked straight on my workbench, but once I got it on there and running, you could see it was not so.

When I rebuilt the engine, I basically ruined mine getting it off. I would be interested to know how to get one of those off without bending it. I ended up paying for a brand new one that worked like a champ..

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cory. put your question in the cub cadet forum and i'm sure "wild bill" or one of the others has a solution for you.
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bogus competitive bidding -- AKA Shilling - - seller gets stuck with the top bid. this is where a "second chance offer" comes in handy for the seller. I never go for the second chance offer.
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